Hunter Pistol and the Future

Smallbore, pistol cartridge, centerfire - revolvers, pistols, Contenders, etc...
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Re: Hunter Pistol and the Future

Post by TexasSilhouette » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:22 pm

If you have ideas, I'm all ears. I've never loved a sport more than Hunter Pistol and fought tooth and nail to keep it alive. Trained a few kids that set a few records, trucked them all over the country. Met good people, shot at good ranges, saw some great sights, Good times.

Some changes were made to accommodate some shooters all with the hope and promise of increased attendance but when the line was drawn in the sand we fell short of the mark. Looking back it appears some of those changes may not have been the right thing to do but that's usually the case with hind sight.

There have been discussions regarding a new pistol silhouette game, one geared more toward off the shelf equipment. Perhaps a game leveraging guns, calibers, and positions you would/might actually use in a hunting situation. Maybe a three gun game that coincides with the lever action games including an opportunity to shoot the big ram at 200. Just ideas at this point, worthy of discussion.

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Re: Hunter Pistol and the Future

Post by DJA » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:31 am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the taco hold evolved because of the rule about resting arms against your body?
I think the elbows off the body is what gave the taco hold it's name (get that front elbow out like you're force feeding yourself a big taco) rather than what drove the evolution of it. What makes taco hold work, for me at least, is that it's as close as you can get to a rifle shooting stance while only having two points of contact with the gun and daylight under the armpits. When done correctly the receiver and rear sight are right up against the face--can't touch it, but you'll feel the breath from your nose on the back of your hand. Obviously, this isn't going to work with a revolver. Well OK, I guess the rules don't preclude wearing a blast shield on your face. Using a contender with a Williams FP-TK rear sight, the sight picture and adjustability is very much like a CLA gun albeit with about half the sight radius. This is a very stable, accurate way to shoot a pistol but only if the pistol can be configured to accommodate the hold. Thus, Contenders rule.

Back to my earlier post in this thread, I didn't say anything about outlawing the Contender, it's a fine "hunter's pistol." Rather, outlaw the taco hold. You can still shoot a contender, you just have to hold it the same way the guy next to you is holding his revolver or Ruger MK, or whatever. The downside, of course, is that this makes the game harder again. If that's what's keeping people from taking up hunters pistol, I guess it is doomed.

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Re: Hunter Pistol and the Future

Post by Tlee » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:07 pm

In my mind, it’d be hard to justify disallowing something (like the taco hold) that has been allowed for a decade or more. I think it would further kill what little diehard interest is left.
It appears, to me, that expanding the guns allowed is the way to go... Such as allowing “mares leg” Lever Action pistols into Hunter Pistol. It might reignite some interest, particularly as popular as Lever Action Rifle has become.

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Re: Hunter Pistol and the Future

Post by GabbyJs » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:25 am

I think a challenge difference would be best in Hunter Pistol. Unfortunately, very expensive for participating clubs. I think the IHMSA targets were 3/8 size. They could be used for "taco hold" shooters. Heavy weight centerfire targets only. Conventional stance shooting would be done at the standard 1/2 scale targets. I quit Hunter Pistol when I attended a National event and the shooter's meeting was held, mostly discussing open sight rules. I felt as though open sights elevated above normal at extended lengths beyond the barrel dimensions was ridiculous. All for the "taco hold". I think that the 12" barrel lengths were probably substituted later to eliminate that issue. I'd love to shoot Hunter Pistol again, but don't want to travel more than 50 miles to do it.

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Re: Hunter Pistol and the Future

Post by DJA » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:54 pm

I busted out Don Hill's old Smith Model 17 yesterday (It still has the inspection sticker on the stocks from the 1990 HP Nationals!) for a little plinkin' at chigs and pickens. Lo and behold, a little over half my shots returned that satisfying "bang . . tink" sound. Fun! Tim, I just might go old school for the Texas HP match. Anybody want to join me?

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