Here is what .22 BPCR is all about.

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Here is what .22 BPCR is all about.

Post by 40-65rl » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:01 pm

Check out the video from the Smithmoor BPCR March 10 match at the Shootin'Shed", Carpenter, Wyoming.

http://kgab.com/learn-to-shoot-with-wyo ... est-video/

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Post by hermit5 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:37 pm

In this video there are a box type crossticks being used on concrete pad.Is this an acceptable form of Crossticks if used when spike type can’t be used?

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Post by Grizz61 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:22 am

Yes, when Stake kind cannot be user the box type for concrete is.
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Post by hermit5 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:10 pm

Grizz,thank you.
Are there legal dimensions for this box type?

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Post by Grizz61 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:00 pm

Not that I know about.
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Post by No1_49er » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:23 pm

Rules, rules, rules. Don't you just love to hate them.

5.2.1 Artificial Support for Black Powder Cartridge Rifle

This rule specifies the allowable dimensions for crossed sticks and the method by which they may be "secured" to the ground. It is clear that the intention is to allow pins to be inserted into 'terra firma' excepting that "This may be waived by the Match Director to fit local conditions."
However, there is nothing in the rules (as currently published) which prescribe dimensions for the box type of retainer that has been referred to in this topic.
Perhaps there should be, else a whole can of worms may be opened.
Should it be a box? Why not a wooden "plate" or rubber strip, into which the allowable pegs/pins can be inserted?

Just sayin'

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Post by hermit5 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:00 pm

I had read those rules and since there was nothing about the box type I asked those in the know here.
It would be my Murphy luck to show up at a match with sticks and they have concrete or bring box and they are using ground.
So it looks like I may need both.

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Post by BrentD » Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:15 pm

The cross sticks for .22bpcr follows regular BPCR rules which mandate not greater than 1" x 2" lumber and spikes must be less than or equal to 3" (the latter being irrelevant for the concrete issue). The last rule that I recall is that there can only be one layer of material between the sticks and the rifle. Thus, leather over felt would be illegal (but a hunk of a lamb fleece is fine).

In the end, for local matches, local directors are permitted to adapt. Personally, I would try to adapt using the lumber dimensions and padding issue if possible.

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Post by DonM » Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:54 pm

hermit5 wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:37 pm
In this video there are a box type crossticks being used on concrete pad.Is this an acceptable form of Crossticks if used when spike type can’t be used?
The crossticks used in this instance are of the "benchrest" type, the base isn't really a box but more of an L shape, with probably a 1 x6 base.The sticks themselves if they had the spikes would conform to normal crosstick specification.
Most of the ones used at Smithmoor were built by Bryan Youngberg, and only used when temps and windchill or the frost level in the ground won't allow for normal sticks.

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Post by 40-65rl » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:05 pm

From the .22 BPCRA Rules and Guidelines:
Para 3 Cross sticks-two wooden legs, no greater than 1 inch by 2 inches in thickness and width and 1 1/2 inches in diameter, and bolted or tied so that the two legs are hinged and capable of pivoting. The end of the legs may be quipped with spikes no more than 3 inches in length and no wider than the edge of the crossed stick. One layer of protective material may be suspended or inserted in the "V" of the crossed sticks to protect the rifle. The non-trigger hand is considered artificial support when in contact with the ground and the rifle butt stock simultaneously and is not permitted.
Para 4a A crossed stick position is one where the shooter is in a prone, sitting, kneeling or standing position with the barrel of the forearm resting in or above the "V" of the crossed sticks in such a manner that no competitor or range personnel are endangered.
Note: While the 22 BPCRA is not affiliated with the NRA, the Association has historically closely followed the NRA Rifle Silhouette Rule and Regulation as they pertain to Black Powder Rifle Cartridge and Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Scope.
Another Note: On a local level a Match Director may use a degree of discretion to help attract and encourage participation.
With all of that said, the use of the table top cross sticks in a match has been discussed et nausea on another forum. The end result, from the .22 BPCRA President, was they are not legal for a sanctioned 22 BPCRA match. The local match director in the video used his discretion because of the frozen ground to use the table top cross sticks, which meet all the requirements of the NRA and 22 BPCRA rules with the exception of using the 3 inches spikes and not pushing those three inch spikes into frozen ground. It was not a sanctioned 22 BPCRA match. The video was to show folks what the sport is about, the equipment and camaraderie of the shooters.
Nuf said.

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