2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by dhatch » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:44 pm

Well, maybe this could revive the silhouette sport. Shouldn't we approach the Silhouette Committee to investigate the possibilities?
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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by OnaginOffagin » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:37 pm

Innocent wrote:My only comment is I'm sorry I missed seeing the old white guy shoot naked!!! Such a waste of a great vest Mel, I would have considered joining you and shooting in my vest only!

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Well, "Innocent," (Innocent? Hah!) I have to admit that I was foiled in my attempt to bring some real class to the event, and shoot it naked.... It was my original intent, but, as you well know, I'm a Northwest Pe Ell wienie, with a full cover of pasty white, fish belly-like skin, and I couldn't find a powerful enough sun creme to get through six days of that burning Raton sun! My dermatologist calculated that I would need a strength of about 400 plus, and I just couldn't find any sun screen that went that high. Y'all gotta be tough to shoot down there! If the sun don't bake your eyes out, the wind blows you backward off the line! And them durn anemic deer, whattya call them, anterlopers, kept running across my sightline screwing me up even more. So reluctantly, I decided to shoot in my vest that you got me and my matching baby blue crocs....... Missed you, lady, where were you?
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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by Jerry G » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:33 pm

Wimp. No sun screen required to shoot at Raton. All you did was move from shade to shade. HA!!!! =))

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by OnaginOffagin » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:32 pm

Jerry G wrote:Wimp. No sun screen required to shoot at Raton. All you did was move from shade to shade. HA!!!! =))
Hey! You're blowing my cover here! 8) 8) 8)
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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by Innocent » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:35 am

Well pasty white skinned creature.....I'm stuck in jail with the county working my butt off, got lots of leave time but the boss will not let me take it because I am the only one that understands and can operate the new computer system. I will make one trip out west for Roger Parks Memorial match in El Paso!
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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by JWebster » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:15 pm

Jim Beckley wrote:
Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:28 am
The bottom line is if Webster wasn't wearing a glove he wouldn't have had to face a jury. Old Ranger you are correct the NRA should have backed the jury's decision, but that isn't how the world works anymore. Metalmisser, I would love to meet you!
Mr Beckley, The NRA Silhouette Committee in their review stated
The competitor admits to a violation of Rule 3.18 by failing to have the “archery glove” reviewed by the Match Director prior to using it in the tournament. However, a warning to remove the “glove” should have been sufficient with further action taken if the “glove” was not removed. The competitor needs to be more aware of the rules and their requirements.
You stated the NRA Should have backed your decision even though they felt a warning would have been enough.

Assuming I heard correctly, You and Mr. Bonner were allowed to defend your actions to the entire Board of Directors in a hearing. Assuming I heard correctly, you both were unsuccessful in convincing the people in the NRA that your actions were justified.

Assuming I heard correctly, The NRA Board of Directors voted to disqualify both of your scores from that match and ban you from participating in the 2018 State Championship.

The undeniable truth is, if I would have been disqualified from the first match when everyone involved recognized that I was wearing the archery glove, none of this would have happened. That alone alters the perspective of integrity.

I no longer compete in Rifle Silhouette. Somehow, the fun was taken out of it.

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by Jerry G » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:36 am

Are you sure that is the way it went down JWebster? Not quite the version I heard.

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by Jason » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:59 am

Jerry G wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:36 am
Are you sure that is the way it went down JWebster? Not quite the version I heard.
Can't we just let this go? No one even cares anymore and this topic hadn't had any replies for over a month until Jerry's above.

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by JWebster » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:17 pm

Jerry G wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:36 am
Are you sure that is the way it went down JWebster? Not quite the version I heard.
It is the only version I have heard. I did not state it as a known fact.
What is your version?
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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by Snake » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:38 am

I will venture this observation from what I know and I will attempt to avoid evidentiary disputes. The NRA essentially found 'misconduct' or fault because the jurors had an interest in the outcome and therefore lacked integrity. I submit that NO jury at any match is devoid of an interest in the outcome of their match....the NRA does not provide a neutral to deal with protests. The NRA decision is flawed. The competitor's use of gloves or other non weather related coverings must be declared by the competitor prior to the start of competition and approved or disapproved at that time

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by thauglor » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:47 am

This is retarded.

Two guys that had nothing to do with this crap are banned by the NRA for competition, nice way for thr NRA to care about silhouette. As a jury member, I now have to worry some crap some other guy pulled will get me banned from a state championship.

Is there someone at the NRA we can write to voice our displeasure? I don't expect it to do anything but at least they will know.

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by JWebster » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:44 am

If they had disqualified me for something of substance, there would not have been a problem even if they did gain on the scoreboard. If I would have been disqualified in the first match, there would not have been a problem. If I continued to wear the glove, there would not have been a problem. It is amazing that so few people can look at this objectively and see that.

Assuming an "Archery Glove" does in-fact fit the definition of "Glove" in the rule book, if it was such an offensive violation to merit disqualification, why was I not disqualified for it in the first match?

There is absolutely no way to justify (please read definition of justify before you answer) a disqualification for something at the end of the second match which was worn since the start of the first match. That is exactly the problem in defending their actions. Certainly you can say it was alright if you have zero interest in fairness.

A Jury should be objectively (please read definition of objectively before you answer) when deciding someone's fate in a state Championship.

Would anyone of you want a jury to decide based on personal reasons and not what is morally right?
The NRA is not trying to be evil or mean to anyone. They are having to make decisions that affect the integrity of the sport.

The jury trying to define a device that only covers the fingers to equal that of glove as defined by the rule book probably did not go over very well either.

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by Jerry G » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:57 am

"Two guys that had nothing to do with this crap are banned by the NRA for competition, nice way for thr NRA to care about silhouette. As a jury member, I now have to worry some crap some other guy pulled will get me banned from a state championship."


One of the jury members in question shot the last state championship I attended. and all 3 attended the state match I shot in the week before. Seems there is a lot of false information floating around.

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by xpilot » Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:55 am

PLEASE...........STOP

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Re: 2016 Arizona State Championship Controversary

Post by JWebster » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:17 pm

One of the jury members in question shot the last state championship I attended. and all 3 attended the state match I shot in the week before. Seems there is a lot of false information floating around.

I heard, and said, they were not able to attend the 2018 State Championship, so that is not false information (yet). As far as I know, nobody said anything about the 2017 State Championship. From what I understand, the decision was not made final until last month when the entire NRA Board of Directors voted on it.

Let me know if I am inaccurate about 2018.

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