cslcAl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:51 am
No1 49er, your interpretation of the rule is
the way it was years ago, back then you lost 2 targets.
The rule was changed to the wording now and you score the shot fired out of turn a miss with no additional target penalty. IE; the shooter shot #3 for #2; #2 is scored as a miss and he should have continued firing targets to the right
and gone back to the left targets if needed to complete 5 shots.
A lot of these
rules are ambiguous leading to much confusion. But this is the way it is.
Al Foust
I do not accept that your interpretation is correct, and there should never be room for ambiguity which in this case I do not believe there is.
The rule books that I have go back to 2009 for IHMSA & IMSSU, and 2010 for NRA. From those years and up to the current versions, each Associations year on year book is word for word the same w.r.t. scoring.
Can you post the text of the rule before it "was changed to the wording now", or advise the year of that change?
NRA 2010
10.7(b)
Each competitor has a bank of 5 silhouettes at which to fire,
one shot at each, left to right, in order, in the appropriate time. Hits out of sequence are scored as misses; for example, the second shot hitting the third silhouette is a miss. When a silhouette is down before a shot, a shooter will fire on the remaining ones in order, then return to the left-most target remaining in the bank and fire any unfired rounds at the remaining silhouette or silhouettes as required. If the shooter still has shots unfired and no targets remain standing on that shooters or another's bank, a range alibi will be declared. The bank will be reset, and the competitor will be allowed a "Ready" period and 30 seconds for each remaining shot.
NRA 2016
10.7(b)
Word for word the same
2009 IHMSA
E 4
The following shot conditions shall be scored as a miss:
C) An incorrect target knocked down out of sequence. If the incorrect target is to the right of the correct target,
the correct target is scored
as a miss, as is the target knocked down. The maximum penalty shall be two targets for each single occurrence.
2016 IHMSA
E 4
Word for word the same
IMSSU 2009
Section VI
F. Scoring
Targets are shot in sequence, left to right, one shot fired at each target.
If a target is knocked down out of sequence, it is scored as an “O” as is the intended target. The penalty shall be two targets. For example, a competitor's third shot knocks down the fifth target in his bank. That shot will be scored as an “O”, as will target five.
IMSSU 2013
Section VI
Word for word the same.
Now, for the benefit of cedestech, "#1 49er, who are you? No malice, just like to put a screen name with a face/person", I am a shooter from the other side of the Pacific, so we're unlikely to have been around the same venues together.
But, this is the rule from my association:-
SECTION 14 : SCORING
14.1 HOW TO SCORE
All shots are scored by marking either a “0” for a miss, or an “X” for a hit in the correct spaces on the scorecard. The scorecard is marked in the same order as the targets are fired, beginning in the first space on the left and progressing to the right until the stage is complete.
Hits out of sequence are scored as misses. For example, the second shot hitting the third silhouette is a miss. In this case, it is a double miss, as only the remaining two silhouettes may be fired on, the competitor cannot fire his third shot at the untouched second silhouette.
From the above, I do not see any reason that the NRA rule should be interpreted any different from those other associations, albeit that the wording is not quite the same but perhaps less ambiguous.
The wording is quite clear; the targets are shot in sequence, left to right. There is no way you can go back to a target on the left except in the very specific case of the next target, in order, not being there, otherwise you are in essence shooting an alibi without calling it, and in my book wouldn't be allowed anyway. Out of sequence = miss.
Make of my interpretation as you will.
49er