UPDATED SCHEDULE FOR NRA SILHOUETTE CHAMPIONSHIPS

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Taps wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:56 pm Sorry 'ol mate BUT,
the INDY 500 is held annually at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway (IMS) at Speedway Indiana, has been for over 100 years.

The Lever-gun and BPCR silhouette Nationals have always been at Raton, the question of rotating them has been raised before and resoundingly defeated at competitors meetings and via competitors questionnaire forms. :-q
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Folks, it's as well to remember that Taps flies the best part of 8,600 miles on the FIRST leg of his journeys to Raton, where he has also been known to officiate, and compete in BPCR. ^:)^
Don't cry in your beer about how hard it is to drive a day.
Just like the Indy 500, the English tennis open is always played at Wimbledon, the Bathurst 500 is always driven at Bathurst.
If the consensus has been/is that the Silhouette Nationals are held at Raton, get over it. Or, drum up enough support to change it.
In the mean-time, it is what it is.
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Taps, the last i knew it was not the Raton Nationals or the New Mexico Nationals it is the US Nationals. So to me that says anywhere in the US just like sb/hp.As the Kentucky Derby and the Indianapolis 500 are named to specific locations. Also there has been plenty of support to rotate the location from eastern and western shooters just cant seem to get the support from the NRA.
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Just going to point out the obvious....

First, this is a thread hijack. It's considered rude but this is SC....

Second, MOST sports I have been involved in have a finals and they are held at a specific place at or on a specific date every year, it's called tradition.

Third, we are mostly an older crowd that shoots this sport and most people lament the loss of tradition in our lives... unless it is convenient... there is a word for that.

Fourth, for as many people who would like to see it move, there are as many who would like to see it stay.

Fifth and lastly, this is a very noisy minority. Petition the powers that be for the change you want. Posting on a announcement thread about a match date isn't going to do it.

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In Mexico the National Champion picks the location for the next year's national championship. That seems like a good method. It definitely increases the prestige and importance of winning their national championships. Too bad the NRA does not have a mechanism in place where NRA members could actually vote on how their own competitions are to be conducted.
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cedestech wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:49 am Just going to point out the obvious....

First, this is a thread hijack. It's considered rude but this is SC....

Second, MOST sports I have been involved in have a finals and they are held at a specific place at or on a specific date every year, it's called tradition.

Third, we are mostly an older crowd that shoots this sport and most people lament the loss of tradition in our lives... unless it is convenient... there is a word for that.

Fourth, for as many people who would like to see it move, there are as many who would like to see it stay.

Fifth and lastly, this is a very noisy minority. Petition the powers that be for the change you want. Posting on a announcement thread about a match date isn't going to do it.

Carry on...
Exactly Emmett!!!!
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The comment about Indy and The Kentucky Derby are not a good analogy because the winner of Indy or the Derby only wins that event not the Championship. It is more like winning a regional event. You also have to qualify to be able to run either events.
In an ideal world the nationals would be held dead center in country. I would love to be able to drive to the nationals every year no matter where its held but even if it was held at Ridgway every year I would miss out once and a while.
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Emmett your not going to break into song are you?!?
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Another Dang 9 wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:15 pm The comment about Indy and The Kentucky Derby are not a good analogy because the winner of Indy or the Derby only wins that event not the Championship. It is more like winning a regional event. You also have to qualify to be able to run either events.
In an ideal world the nationals would be held dead center in country. I would love to be able to drive to the nationals every year no matter where its held but even if it was held at Ridgway every year I would miss out once and a while.
That... think about my buddy Jason in Washington.... your doubling his trip if it was in Ridgeway every year....

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Another Dang 9 wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:31 pm Emmett your not going to break into song are you?!?
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The comparison to the Indy 500 and the Kentucky Derby are interesting but let us truly compare them. The Indy 500 and Indianapolis Speedway were wholly owned by the Hulman Family with their grandson Tony George making all the decisions for the last few decades. The Hulman Family also owned a baking flour factory and wholesale grocery distribution businesses. George did a good job of running the speedway and the race until he recently sold it to Roger Penske. The Kentucky Derby and Churchill Downs is owned by CDI(Churchill Downs Incorporated) and a board of directors that is the first thing you see listed on the home page of their website. I would say that all CDI decisions are actually made by William Carstangen and deep down in there somewhere underneath many layers is the mob. CDI is publicly traded on the NASDAQ. CDI is a huge conglomerate of horse tracks and casinos. Gambling is their main thing. If you invest in mutual funds, you probably own a piece of CDI since almost every popular mutual fund owns CDI stock. While making this comparison we really should throw NASCAR and the Daytona 500 in there also. The France family owns NASCAR and the Daytona 500. Jim France runs NASCAR since Brian turned out to be an addict who could not run it. In these three examples we can put a finger on who runs the organization and the resultant event. When we talk about the NRA, we can put our finger directly on Wayne la Pierre. There is a huge difference though. Unlike CDI, Indy and NASCAR, the NRA is a membership association where the association has been structured so that members who pay dues have no say or vote in the way the association is run. Oh yeah, you can vote for the ineffective bloated board of directors but la Pierre makes all the decisions. That is simply wrong. The NRA is not owned by an individual or a family but the NRA is run like it is one person's personal plaything and that one person is WLP. Too much smoke and mirrors. No transparency. No true accountability to the membership. All this trickles down to the honest, common working people competitors just trying to enjoy our little hobby.
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atomicbrh wrote: Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:41 am In Mexico the National Champion picks the location for the next year's national championship. That seems like a good method. It definitely increases the prestige and importance of winning their national championships. Too bad the NRA does not have a mechanism in place where NRA members could actually vote on how their own competitions are to be conducted.
Well I'm sure my mate Dann Suthern, your current National High Power Champion, would love that rule to be used. Better start packing your bags and buying airline tickets, the Nationals will be in Berridale, NSW, Australia next year. Just a couple of miles from Dann's house. :-bd

There is a mechanism for competitors to vote, it's called the competitors meeting. Held at the Nationals. If you want to change something, get about 180 like minded folks to attend and vote your way. Of course they usually head down the same path as this thread as individual personalities just want what they want, to hell with others, and a bunch of finger pointing occurs. This in turn leads nowhere and then the complaints that nothing is getting done start. %-(

The other way is to fill out your competitors survey form, these are all read at the silhouette committee meeting. If there is a majority of competitors asking for a change for the betterment of the sport, it will lead to changes. The rulebook is a classic example.
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I do not know a single person who voted for la Pierre to spend a half million U.S. dollars in one year on tailored business suits or hire democrat gun violence activists to work for the NRA. Voting by NRA individual members means nothing. la Pierre has the NRA set up so that he makes all the decisions. Read the ammoland link that Bob259 put on here.
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Okay, total derailment there Bob. I am not referring to NRA executives here.
I read the link, yes there is a BIG problem at the top of the NRA, the association definitely needs a total overhaul there.
BUT, La Pierre doesn't make any of the decisions relating to silhouette that we are supposedly discussing here.
I challenged your statement and you point at him and say "look over here everyone", nice try at diversion mate.
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No purposeful diversion from the subject being discussed was intended. It is all related in my way of thinking. The top person in any organization if corrupt only hires honest people by chance because they have a skewed sense of what is right and wrong. In the southeastern United States the local saying is "the tomato always rots from the top". That means the roots never kill the plant but are always healthy and working. This is the only sport we have been involved in where discussions like this take place.
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Taps wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:56 pm Sorry 'ol mate BUT,
the INDY 500 is held annually at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway (IMS) at Speedway Indiana, has been for over 100 years.

The Lever-gun and BPCR silhouette Nationals have always been at Raton, the question of rotating them has been raised before and resoundingly defeated at competitors meetings and via competitors questionnaire forms. :-q
As I understand it. The competitors survey that is filled out at the Nationals may or may not have a question concerning the preferred locations of the following years competition. This survey taken in New Mexico will most certainty be skewed in votes by competitors in the midwest. A better idea of the Silhouette competitors wants and needs across the nation could be obtained through a national survey located on the NRA Competitive Shooting Dash Board. Survey results could be better controlled to one vote per competotor by using the competitors NRA number. Just a thought.
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