Ordered a 1712

Innocent · Post by **Innocent** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:51 pm

Either you're studying fiction or the text is pretty thin...

Text? I thought we were supposed to study our infamous state senator that was arrested for offering to pay to perform sexual acts on an undercover officer in his own hometown...and what the local press had to say about it.
Actually it was an elective class, chose it because the prof was not totally anti-gun, his brother is a big bore shooter.

Innocent

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:43 pm

Working for local government and now a small university have, unfortunately, vindicated my cynicism...

Innocent · Post by **Innocent** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:05 pm

Blau Bear,

Working for local government and now a small university have

Hmm...started with agency of the state, moved to local sheriff, then back to state that later became agency of state (but part of the univeristy system). Amazing how the public admin works.

Innocent

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:46 pm

Amazing is certainly one word for it. Some departments function very well, but administration is just odd.

tmarshall · Post by **tmarshall** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:52 pm

Innocent, LOP measurement? With the butt of the stock resting at the junction of bicep and elbow the second joint of my trigger finger is just below the trigger. Secondly I have a cheap pair of dove tail ring mounts that are pretty low to the bore. The bell of my T-24 is only about 3/8" off the barrel. To get a true cheek bone weld on the stock I cannot get mounts low enough I don't think. I'm confused about this stock fitting thing.

Of course until I can get my distances sighted in and do some off hand shooting I won't be able to tell much. I managed to shoot some 2" groups with it this evening at 100 meters with Wolf MT off a very crappy rest.

Regardless of the stock the extra weight of the gun and the fantastic trigger should make my hold and shot breaks much easier.

Innocent · Post by **Innocent** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:14 am

tmarshall wrote

LOP measurement?

From your description the LOP sounds too short by the length of the first to second joint of yout trigger finger, and I will not guess that size as I have seen many different finger lengths.

As for the cheek weld, is the cheek weld you are describing with the Annie 164 or with the 1712? My memeories of a 164 standard stock is that it has a lower comb than the 1712. As for mounts you only need to clear the barrel enough with a scope such that you can turn the focus, i.e. get a dollar bill between the scope and the barrel (all right machinists out there chime in with the 1000's measurments). A good cheek weld is important as LOP, especially making sure in getting that connection that you are not strianing the neck. Neck muscles need to be as relaxed as the stomach muscles.

Mary

tmarshall · Post by **tmarshall** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:12 am

The cheek weld is for the 1712 as well as the length of pull measurement. I will probably shoot as is till maybe I can get advice from someone who is watching me shoulder the rifle. Weather here is rainy so might be awhile before I can see how comfortable I am with the gun. Like I said it feels better than the Sav/Ans 164 sporter, and no doubt an improvment over it. I can't help but think it will improve my shooting if I do my part.

Innocent · Post by **Innocent** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:30 am

The cheek weld is for the 1712 as well as the length of pull measurement.

I would not hesistate to at least add some to the butt to correct the LOP. That may help on the cheek weld some as well, due to the fact that your face will be slightly further back and may fall on a higher section of the comb. Either soft shoe sole material or a good piece of wood but my guess would be that you need at least 3/4 to 1 inch added to LOP (possibly more depnding on finger length).

If my memory serves me well (I've been working some funky hours)you are in the Ft Smith area. While Kitty is limited by health some I'm sure he can recommend someone that can assist in looking at your position and offering thoughts.
I can not stress enough, to try different things as what works for one shooter may not work for another.

Mary

tmarshall · Post by **tmarshall** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:23 pm

Thanks actually I'm closer to Benton, but still I'm about two hours away in Jonesboro. Someone was talking about rubber shoe sole on another tread I guess those are screwed on then grind to fit? I know many recoil pads the stock has to be sawed then pad put on. I'm going to have to do something. Where can I get some of this rubber shoe sole?

Bob259 · Post by **Bob259** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:45 pm

Get a pair of 'Flip Flops' from Wal Mart

Innocent · Post by **Innocent** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:41 pm

Bob259,
I'm even cheaper than Wal Mart, I swipe mouse pads from my "enrolled agent"...CPA or other favorite tax preparer. No offense Kitty but the EA in Arab AL provide great thick mouse pads.

Innocent

jneihouse · Post by **jneihouse** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:00 am

No offense Kitty but the EA in Arab AL provide great thick mouse pads.

No offense taken....I use a trackball, no need for a mouse pad..

[/quote]Thanks actually I'm closer to Benton, but still I'm about two hours away in Jonesboro. Someone was talking about rubber shoe sole on another tread I guess those are screwed on then grind to fit? I know many recoil pads the stock has to be sawed then pad put on. I'm going to have to do something. Where can I get some of this rubber shoe sole?

Txmarshall, maybe if you post your measurements (distance from elbow joint to the first joint of your trigger finger we can compare to other folks measurements and get you a reasonable starting point. The cheek weld problem should disappear when you correct the LOP. For me a correct LOP lets me use BKL 259's for a perfect height for my T24 Weaver on my Anschutz in a Pharr RT/S stock. Of course, only the BKL's available from Coates Watkins work.....All others are deffective

Kitty

Evelio Mc Donald · Post by **Evelio Mc Donald** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:11 pm

The rubber shoe sole pad is normally glued on since the rubber is to soft, and a screw will go all the way thru the rubber as you try to tighten it.
This material is only available at shoe's components wharehouses, I buy mine in 3' x 3' sheets
Evelio.

tmarshall · Post by **tmarshall** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:59 pm

16-1/2" from the first joint of trigger finger to crease at elbow! Thats the measurement I got. Seems long. I tried to find flip flops today. I guess its to late in the year. I'll try a shoe shop when I get time.

Thanks,
Tony Marshall

Innocent · Post by **Innocent** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:07 pm

No offense taken....I use a trackball, no need for a mouse pad..

My EA doesn't use mouse pads either, he just gives them away to his better customers, somehow I always manage to collect an extra one or two, nice thick pads, they work great as shock absorbers for certain outdoor calibrations that I run as well. I keep telling that I pass them out at the office, hmmm he hasn't figured out that they are passed around cut up in to neede sizes.

Innocent

Ordered a 1712

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