That was good Carl. You got a way with words. Mind if I use it?

Or you could just get the CZ now and the Annie later and keep both

Right now I shoot the CZ and I like it. When I progress I will likely get something else for a standard rifle as I like heavy rifles and lighter triggers.

I have a hard time parting with guns once I acquire them. Only ever sold a few that I don't miss.

Dee

Carl, a wise man once told me to save my money and buy a 1712. Still shooting the same gun 6 years later with no idea of upgrading.

I started with a CZ Silhouette. It was very accurate out of the box. I added an adjustable trigger sear and shot some good scores. But it was uncomfortable to shoot, it was light, and "nervous" to hold.

I bought a CZ Varmint bcse I thought the heavy barrel would get rid of the "nervous" hold. It did to some extent, but the stock was even more uncomfortable to hold. Its trigger stunk. I upgraded it, but wanted a better trigger and stock. My scores went down.

I then got a 1712. It's the bomb. I upgraded the stock to a Pharr and have never looked back. The trigger is good. It's very accurate. I've had no regrets.

Yeah, the 452's trigger leaves a little to be desired. The 453's is a big improvement and gives you more adjustments, though. Still not an Anschutz trigger, but it is better than the 452's by far.

CZs are a good bet but should an NS522 come available, jump on it. It was my first gun and I still like them. Of course in 2001 you could pick one up for $200. Now, I guess they start at $350 and go up. But, it should be on anyone's "first gun" radar screen should someone want to sell theirs.

I have mine set up as a loaner for newbies. Scope, rings, settings for Fed 510 taped on the side and off you go. Good way to get folks interested. The best thing to do with that safe queen starter gun is have it sorted and available at the range for new shooters! Don't leave it at home! We need new, young shooters!

durant7 wrote:CZs are a good bet but should an NS522 come available, jump on it. It was my first gun and I still like them. Of course in 2001 you could pick one up for $200. Now, I guess they start at $350 and go up. But, it should be on anyone's "first gun" radar screen should someone want to sell theirs.

I have mine set up as a loaner for newbies. Scope, rings, settings for Fed 510 taped on the side and off you go. Good way to get folks interested. The best thing to do with that safe queen starter gun is have it sorted and available at the range for new shooters! Don't leave it at home! We need new, young shooters!

Here you go...gunbroker $299 Nice Looking Rifle, if I had the spare coin I`d make a bid.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... m=98843670

I bought a NS522 when they came out, and it is a fine gun. My smith stoned the trigger to 2 1/2 lbs and gushed about the quality of the construction. Ask the seller how many magazines come with the gun. I'm not sure if any other model's mags fit. It could be difficult to find one for a rifle that was sold, I think, less than two years in the US. Nothing against the gun - it was a victim of the Chinese Rifle ban when some of their army guys were caught slipping a few AK-47's into other shipments sent here.

I have a new entry for a reasonable priced starter rifle. Tula TOZ-78 can be had for around $150 and comes with adjustable trigger and free floated barrel! Stock leaves a little to be desired. I believe this is the same rifle that Winchester Wildact is made from although the Wildcat has a better stock, but I believe does not have the adjustable trigger or free floated barrel. I haven`t heard any bad reports from anyone that has made the purchase. Gonna pick one in the next couple months and I`ll give a good review. Seems it can`t be beat for under $200.

we have to keep in mind balance when talking about the starter gun. cheap is great as long as the rifle will allow the new shooter some modicum of success. this difficult game demands the rifle have some functional accuracy.

I'd like to see someone use a TOZ (or Winchester clone) to see how well they shoot. I think they are just kooky enough to be cool.

The one thing that might cause some problems, however is the magazine/triggerguard area. Since the magazine is not supposed to be used to support the forward hand, I'm not sure how well this type of rifle would work out.

SteveM.

Have to work around the magazine, but I think its possible. The stock could be redone and given a more finished look.

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This URL is a little more friendly than that crazy long one.
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The botttom of the line Savage costs $200.00, and comes with the accutrigger, which adjusts to a very crisp 2.5 lbs, and mine is very accurate. It likes Lapua Super Club . Mags are less than $10.00 and made of steel.

If you are on a budget, hard to beat for hunter class. I added some lead to the hollow stock, and it now weighs 8 lbs.

Savage is an American company, but the rifles are made in Canada, at least in the right hemisphere.

They offer a whole bunch of options, check it out.

Chris

The Savage Mark I-FVT offered by CMP is tempting, for fun shoots on the club side (1/3 scale animals) of our course. Hard to see anything wrong with it!