is there a anti anschutz sentiment? if so i didnt see it. my post was just that anything will work for the game which is its inherent beauty. i used to shoot 3p with a savage 64, and they are a very good rifle and can be had for not a lot of coins.

APR67, that savage would seem to have a better stock than any cz in the market(from the pic) higher comb+ more drop at toe will help get it in a sold shoulder and a good cheek.

nice looking, in the ball park of a nice CZ, requires no trigger work, the accutrigger is very good and settable for hunter weight. i had not seen the offering, that is the direction i would go. and the12 dollar magazines CZforlife mentioned for annies are infact just savage mags, so bonus there on half price magazines.

the bsa will serveyou fine until you wear it out. no real need to get another scope until you notice tracking issues or you start shooting matches that you are serious about winning. during a match is a terrible time to notice tracking problems.

run what ya brung.

"Run what ya brung"? LOL. Now, I'm confused. Thats an old expression. I don't know now if you're a "Fast and Furious" guy or an old street racer like me. But, usually, the guy who says that has a huge big block under the hood of his Vega. Remember those? Anyway, I don't care what the guy shoots as long as its quality and he can grow with his equipment, and not have to keep changing as his skill increases. I've been shooting competitively since the 80's and I see it all the time. Buy cheap and they usually give the stuff away or it sits in the closet (or safe) when they realize the error of their choice. I do know one new guy in our club who shoots a CZ. I looked at it quickly and it seemed like a nice rifle but not silouette ready. I will look more closely next time. As far as the scope? Please throw it away and save for a good one......

"Run what ya brung"? LOL. Now, I'm confused. Thats an old expression. I don't know now if you're a "Fast and Furious" guy or an old street racer like me. But, usually, the guy who says that has a huge big block under the hood of his Vega. Remember those? Anyway, I don't care what the guy shoots as long as its quality and he can grow with his equipment, and not have to keep changing as his skill increases. I've been shooting competitively since the 80's and I see it all the time. Buy cheap and they usually give the stuff away or it sits in the closet (or safe) when they realize the error of their choice. I do know one new guy in our club who shoots a CZ. I looked at it quickly and it seemed like a nice rifle but not silouette ready. I will look more closely next time. As far as the scope? Please throw it away and save for a good one......

apr67,

As you can see there are many different opinions about this game. I'm going to give you a different slant based on MY experience. I'm only 2 years into this game and started out very similar to you. I'm not like Dustin who is shooting AAA within a few months. I'm 2 legs into AA in SB (hunter), 2 legs into AAA in air rifle (sporter) but I can shoot master scores in practice. So, for me, this is a mental game. So what does this have to do with equipment? Like you I started out with what I could afford. The trouble I ran into was having confidence in my equipment. This doesn't mean my equipment didn't shoot well enough to start with but as a newer shooter I was never sure if that shot I knew should have hit but didn't was because of something I did or if it was the scope or the rifle. This year I was fortunate to have the opportunity to purchase a 1712 and a Luepold 6.5x20 scope. They are both brilliant when it comes to consistency. So for the mental game I no longer worry about my equipment and for me that is huge. Did it turn me into an instant master shooter? No, but it is allowing me to focus more on the mental game which will lead me to be a better shooter.

To do it all over again based on what I could afford at the time I would have bought the Luepold scope first and used the rifle I had instead of compromising on both.

Good luck,

J~

Thanks everyone for your input.

Off a bag my model 60 targets looks like a shot gun pattern. I'm sure I can improve it with ammo and practice and some gunsmith work, however it is never going to be the right gun for this sport.

I would like to think I've decided, but I'm still wavering.

While I am not new to shooting sports, I am a TOTAL novice when it comes to Rimfire silhouette. I pondered and fussed and nearly made my self nuttier than a squirell turd before I told myself, "Self, be patient". Well, for a change, Self complied. We (self and I) then proceeded to check out all the on-line auction sites, market places on this forum and a host of other locatiions, to include local papers, craigslist (what a joke) pawn shops, etc.

Now, ole self and I had a budget in mind, one that even passed muster with thee Minister of Finance (who has been in that office for 33 years). Originally we figured on a Cz452 with a good Loopy, Weaver or Sightron... decent set of rings and a couple extra magazines. After Shipping, FFL fees, Mounting costs for Scope, etc the number was over our initial budget of $1,000.00.

Angst built between us, near enough to cause a difficult seperation 'tween Self and I. So one day, when self was taking a nap, I found a Remington 541-T, with a Broughton Barrel, custom tuned by some dude named Voelker and it came with an already mounted Leupold 6.5-20 EFR scope with a dot reticle. While many will feel that the $1300.00 I spent on this rig is too much, (not to mention the aforementioned MOF......Sold my Ruger Red Label 20 Bore Engraved, My St. Ettienne SxS 16 bore, AND my M1 Carbine to balance budget) But, that gives me quite a bit extra for the "Stuff" one needs to take care of such a habit.

Moral of my story? With a little patience and some flexibility you may be able to find the right one for you. Now i am NOT saying you need to spend $1300, just keep your eyes peeled and options open.

Kindest regards fron both Self and I

You got a great deal!

A CZ would make a fine rifle. As far as the trigger goes, if the stock trigger is not to your liking, there are very simple mods you can do yourself. My advice, go to "rimfirecentral" and browse the CZ section. It would be hard to find people who are as passionate about their guns as these folks. There is information there for any question you might have. I have a Annie 1710 and a Sako Quad along with several CZs and for my money it is awfully hard to beat the value of the CZs.

dustinflint wrote:I also immediately installed a new striker spring ($10) and a new set of action screws $19) that i got from J&P at the suggestion of Baby Huey (https://www.jnpgunsprings.com/product_i ... cts_id=251) (https://www.jnpgunsprings.com/product_i ... ucts_id=25)

I bought a set of BKL double strap scope mounts for $38 (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/BKL_1_Rin ... Black/2900) These are the best on the market.

I thought the stock that came with the CZ was too small. One of our shooters has a CZ 452 Scout in a Boyd's TactiCool stock. I liked his stock so I bought one for my gun for about $100 (http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Boyds-Tac ... 00-411.htm)

Dustin, the CZ Style is the same as the silhouette execpt the barrel, and some other parts are nickle plated right?

Also, any issue using a 1 piece adapter like the DIP CZ Rail? http://www.diproductsinc.com/Detail.asp ... 0&CAT=3600

How did the Tacticool stock work out for you, and how much work did it take to make it fit?

apr67.

The Style is the same gun as the Silhouette except it's nickel plated.

I am happy with the Tacticool stock. It's not ideal for offhand shooting but it's not bad. I had to do a little extra inletting with a chisel to make the Timney trigger fit. Also, that stock is made for a varmint barrel and I had to put some small shims at the front of the action to keep everything tight.

That rail will work as long as everything makes weight but I don't know why you'd use that when you can get a set of BKL rings for less money and mount them directly to the receiver.

Dustin

Steve, (and Self). That was a pretty funny post.

Trent wrote:Steve, (and Self). That was a pretty funny post.

We Thank You!

Well I thank everyone for their help.

I finally decided to get a CZ 455 American. I know they have a rep for not being as good as 452's, however I've seen and read plenty of reports of them being as good if not better. Also I can swtich to a iron sited (lux) barrel when I want to teach the kids how to shoot (if I ever let them touch this gun.. Perhaps a cricket is in their future?). The gun is coming from CTD at a total cost of $333.19 which I think is a steal, and if it doesn't work out I should be able to resell it for what I paid. However I have yet to sell any of my guns, much to the chagrin of she who must be obeyed.

I've got to get rings, and I'm still trying to decide on a DIP 11mm to Weaver adapter or using BKL rings. My issue is, no one has 11mm Dovetail rings and I know that as soon as I get this gun and clean it I will want to mount up my scope. With a picatinny/weaver rail I can get whatever height rings I want locally and I will have better interchangeably with my other scoped guns.

Again, thanks everyone for their guidance.

Good choice. I bought the same thing just a few weeks ago. I've owned several 452's and I don't worry too much about the supposed inferiority of the 455. Most of the negative opinions are based on early examples. If anything, the 455 will probably prove to be at least as good in the accuracy department and definitely better in the fit and finish category. In my opinion, the only things CZ could do to improve it would be to offer a monte carlo stock and improve the trigger—but just about every gun needs trigger work. One thing to consider, the rifle is real light. I added about a 1/2 pound of lead shot to the forearm. I'm pretty sure I'll still be comfortably below the weight limit for Hunter Class.

Tancred

I've shot a few more matches with my CZ, and last weekend I got my first 5 in a row (Pigs) and my second score to move me to AA.

I also did an ammo test, and my gun seems to like RWS at 50 yards. I am going to repeat it at 100 yards and then buy a few boxes of my top to seal the deal.. For now I am still using elcheapo Automatch, which was about 75% as good as the best ammo in my 50 yard test (and it did better that several very premium loads).

My elcheapo scope seems to be holding up (BSA Sweet 22), and I can see how the adjustable target turrets and AO really helps me be 'on target'. Hopefully this summer I can update to a better scope. Maybe when I start getting 20's regularly that will be my gift to myself.

I have not done anything to the trigger except adjusting the pull to its lowest limit with stock parts. No one seems to have a trigger gauge so until I find one in town to use I don't want to start altering stuff. I'd rather get used to a heavy trigger than a light one that I end up having to put weight back onto.

Thanks everyone for your help. Next maybe I will start working on a handgun. Maybe I can use my S&W 22a to get started on that. Everyone in this club seems to be using a Ruger Mark 2 or 3, except for one guys with a S&W 41.