Everyone,

Better take a look at this link.


Looks like if it looks like a duck it still has to fit the same jig as a standard rifle. I think everyone needs to check the hunter guns. We will need to make sure the toe does not drop more than 7" and the the comb is not to high. If it does it will not fit the NRA jig. May not be a problem at club matchs, but sure would not want to show up at nationals and find out my rifle does not fit there jig. If that was the case it would not be legal for either class.

Here we go again, Paul

http://www.nrahq.org/compete/rules/rul_ ... fle_07.pdf

Has anyone tried to fit a Pharr-stocked 1712 into the "jig" yet?

SteveM

I asked the legal question last Feb just before I ordered my stock.
http://www.steelchickens.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=113
I never had mine in a jig, but based upon the fact that people have been using the 1712-Pharr in both classes, it has to fit. I personally support a measurement / jig qualification. The "looks like hunter rule" was BS in my opinion. I think it is a good, simple, well defined rule now. At sometime, someone, had to put a limit on the hunter dimensions. I'm just glad, the Pharr stock is apparently legal.
I don't know about the split finger version, I think the comb was slightly higher. From my often faulty memory, I vaguely recall Mark said that split finger model may not make the standard rifle depending on the bedding because of a slightly higher comb. I could be mistaken. Maybe someone else knows if the comb is different on the split finger? Sorry again if I'm mistaken. Ter

The Parr split finger stock ( RT/S ) has a 1/4'' higher cheek piece than the original version ( R/T ) if you inlet the action half way into the stock, 1/2 the bore of the rifle will still be under the comb, acording to Greg Connors, as long as you can see day light while looking thru the bore, it should be OK.
I think the biggest problem you are going to run into, is the butt pad, they want it not to stick out past the end of the stock. In other words all the guns that I have build, the butt pad follows the same taper as the stock, if they really push it, the pad will have to go straight back after the end of the stock. No big deal a pocket knife will take care of that, but it will look like shit.
Evelio.

Evelio,

Measured mine last night and it was 6 3/4 in with a 14 1/2 lenght of pull, no Viagra for this one.

They just gotta keep messing with the rules every year. What ever happened to the 5 year deal they were going to use a few years back.

OK, sorry if this sounds like I'm a simpleton.. but...

How many of us with "custom" hunting rifles DID NOT shoot them in standard last year?

My point = THE RULE ALREADY APPLIED> How does this really affect any of us? I get the "chicken little" feeling about this.... "why are they changing the rules" ramblings... What rules did they change? Did they change the dementions of the jig or something? What am I missing here?

Once again, unless you had some funky hunter rifle that you were only shooting in hunter class, I'm just not sure what this affects. Like another poster mentioned, with a 14.5" LOP (longer than standard 13.75") there is room to spare. You could prob go 15" LOP before hitting the 7" mark. At 15.5" LOP, you may have to start trimming you butt pad, how many of us are shooting a 15.5" + lop?

Evelio Mc Donald wrote:
I think the biggest problem you are going to run into, is the butt pad, they want it not to stick out past the end of the stock. In other words all the guns that I have build, the butt pad follows the same taper as the stock, if they really push it, the pad will have to go straight back after the end of the stock. No big deal a pocket knife will take care of that, but it will look like shit.

Evelio.

Evelio has a point - Here is the "saving grace" though... People say that the butt pad HAS to follow the line of the stock. Unless my rules are out-dated included the most recent addenda, they need to be read...

3.1(d) ~~~ The toe of the stock including the buttplate or recoil pad shall be no more than 7 inches below the centerline of the bore. Buttplate or recoil pad ***MAY NOT EXTEND BELOW THE LOWER LINE OF THE STOCK***.

As I read this, Take your centerline of the bore, come down 7" and then come back 50" with the recoil pad if you care to. I read this as the lower edge of the recoil pad HAS to be flat - i.e. parallel with the centerline of the bore, and can not continuie on the same angle. Much to do about nothing IMOHO...

***MAY NOT EXTEND BELOW THE LOWER LINE OF THE STOCK***

I would think that "lower line" of the stock literally means the lower line of the stock. Not an imaginary line that is parallel with the bore. This would make continuing the shape of the stock onto the recoil pad legal.

carl425 wrote:

***MAY NOT EXTEND BELOW THE LOWER LINE OF THE STOCK***

I would think that "lower line" of the stock literally means the lower line of the stock. Not an imaginary line that is parallel with the bore. This would make continuing the shape of the stock onto the recoil pad legal.

I agree 100%, like I said at the first part of the post. I do however feel that this does not make a recoil pad that ends at the lower end of the toe and comes straight back to accomidate a longet LOP than normal illegal.

Just spoke with Greg at the NRA and it is 100% legal and ok to come down to the 7" mark along the line of the stock and then come straight back with a recoild pad in an effort to allow a taller shooter with a longer LOP fit a rifle to his needs. If you have an extremly long LOP, the line I mentioned is not imaginary, it is what you must conform to for both classes. Take it for what it's worth.

Chicken

This should be pretty easy to answer. I shot the nationals this past year with my 1710 DKL in a McMillian Fiberglass stock. Both classes. Fit the jig perfectly. Did anyone else on the board shoot the nats with a Pharr split finger stock. Mark??? I would have had to go through the jig and pass in order for that person to shoot. If it fit all should be fine unless you have some funky inletting done.

KItty

My biggest concern is the butt pad, several years ago, when they had the Nationals in Winsboro, my gun was rejected because the pad, followed the taper in the stock, instead of going straight back, even do it fit the jig. I refused to cut off the pad, and started a pretty big argument with whoever was the NRA guy certifying the guns, it was getting pretty loud, and good all Duck Gumbo, talk me into going in the club house to try some new Scotch, after we came back out I picked up my gun, and noticed that it had the certification sticker on it. Mr. Jerry B. has taken his pocket knife and cut off the 3/8" from the pad that was following the taper in the stock, I was feeling pretty good by then so we all had a good laugh, specially David.
Anyway the Parr stock will fit the jig, but make sure you can see daylight thru the bore, specially on the RT/S stocks.
Evelio

Has this been a problem in the past??? As far as I know, it hasn't been so why another rule. Save them up for a rainy day and go back to the once in 5 years deal. They change so fast you can't keep up with them.

Seems that I do remember Mark Pharr showing up for hi power silhouette a couple of years ago at the Nationals in Phoenix......His gun did not pass tech and had to cut some off the bottom of the buttpad......Mark feel free to jump in and clarify........

Kitty

When I had Mark build up my 1712 in one of his stocks, he specifically asked if I wanted to shoot in both standard and hunter classes. Of course, I said that I did and he bedded it so that the bore line is not below the comb. I'll have to measure the bore line to toe again, but I'm pretty long and lanky and remember having a little bit of breathing room even with a long length of pull.