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Ha, I am old and still stiff from last weekend. You look to be of similar build as me. I hold exactly the same as you are for HP and SB and always have. It works well for me. Keep at it, you will steadily improve. I trust you are using a vest?

Bob Mc Alice wrote:Ha, I am old and still stiff from last weekend. You look to be of similar build as me, but I must work on my beer belly. Just kidding. I hold exactly the same as you are for HP and SB and always have. It works well for me. Keep at it, you will steadily improve. I trust you are using a vest?

Yup, got me a nice one.....but I thought the faults would be more apparent without it.... thanks for the encouraging words...... age truly ain't for cowards, huh?

Glad you are willing to try new things. Not being able to see all around you I will give you some ideas to try and see what feels right or different or better.
You may want to try to close up a bit more. Move your left hand and rifle closer to your left shoulder that should tighten your left arm up.
When you do that you will see you need to move your feet. Move your left foot towards the camera about 2 inches and that should bring your natural point of aim back to the target.
If you get wound up to tight to the left you may see your shots go a bit right as you release and relax.
Now you can play with your feet and move your left toes towards the right toes an inch or so and feel your left calf muscle tighten up. Or move your heal one way or the other. Now see what your right foot and toes are doing. Move them around a bit and see what you feel.
Be creative and see what happens if you put a Kleenex in the palm of your right hand. Or add 1/8 or 3/32 to the trigger and see how that feels. Even how you place your finger on the trigger may help or hinder. Higher or lower on the trigger, nearer the finger tip or the center of the pad or nearer the joint.
Most of all have fun. Merry Christmas Yankee

So here's a thought.

I'm looking at your cheek weld and it seems to me your really massing your face into the stock.

Have you tried using higher rings? I know a lot of us who started with hunting rifles go to low rings by default but I've seen my scores go up and my back and neck pain go down by using tall rings on both my hunter and standard rife.

Ymmv but for what it's worth this has been a real godsend for me.

A couple of breasts would help support your arms in a good tight hold.
ppkny

I'm listening, gentlemen.....(except for the "breasts")..... thank you! Close up stance, maybe higher rings... will experiment with my ancient RWS Model 75 air rifle..... I am curious, however, Yankee, about the "Kleenex in the right hand." What would that show? Differences in grip pressure? Movement of trigger finger against stock?

I just noticed your just over in Ellensburg. Next time you make it over to this side of the cascades let me know and you can try out my 1712 and 54-18. I've got Marvin high rings on both.

Bigfoot wrote:I just noticed your just over in Ellensburg. Next time you make it over to this side of the cascades let me know and you can try out my 1712 and 54-18. I've got Marvin high rings on both.

Will do! I've got just about the same set-up, a 1712 in a Wooster, and the 54 you see in a a McMillan....can't figure out which shoots better; or which I shoot better.... shooting both in an indoor league (all standing) trying to find out..... we might know each other....do you shoot at Pe Ell?

You've got your hands all backwards and you're standing on the wrong side of the gun.

Silly righties....

OldRanger wrote:You've got your hands all backwards and you're standing on the wrong side of the gun.

Silly righties....

Oh....that's what I'm doing wrong?!? Durn. Maybe it'd help if I grew some breasts? They let left-handed people shoot?

Diminishing flexibility (and lower bk pain) started me shooting with rifle resting on top of two knuckles...this year moved it up to finger tips. Don't know what to do next lest they let me shoot prone.

That's funny ppkny. You left out the wide hips for support too.

Jerry G wrote:That's funny ppkny. You left out the wide hips for support too.

According to Jerry G and ppkny, I need to grow breasts and get wider hips........ Only way I can think of to do that is to get a sex change operation or hormone shots. My doctor's kind of old fashioned and probably won't prescribe the hormone shots. And I'm sure the operation isn't covered by medicare.... and my lovely wife doesn't think much of either option..... So......

Screwed.....

What if I just shot in drag? Would that help?

What if I just shot in drag?

Only if you wear stilettos. On the more serious side Mel, your balance is off, stock is too short, you are hunched up in an attempt to stand upright, right leg is not carrying equal weight, stomach muscles way too tight. Rarely can men reach their hip with their elbow like us with the weight of infants spreading our hips, but you can learn to rest the elbow against the chest and relax, balance the rifle rather than gripping and trying to wrap around something so small. Yes the breast help with building a shelf to rest the stock but still balance is far more important than most give credit for.

Mary