Multiple front sight inserts ok for lever action silhouette?

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Re: Multiple front sight inserts ok for lever action silhouette?

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c4p6t7r188 wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 2:41 pm
No1_49er wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 1:56 pm
Rotnguns wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:33 am This is exactly the setup I have, except with the skinnier bead from Shaver's. The aperture around the bead really helps me find the target when practicing indoors at over 30 yards.
Remember fellas, even when you are only practicing (I'm presuming for silhouette - presumption can be a dangerous thing) your equipment should be the same as if it were for a match.
Why practice with something that might not be compliant (3.1.3 (a)) for our game?

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When I go in to sight in my lever rifle at the indoor range I can't see the target what so ever I'm always second guessing where the center is, when I shoot silhouette the animal is very clear to me. I'm going to assume rotnguns has a similar issue and this helps battle that.
Indeed, this is exactly my situation. What I'm doing now is sighting in at 25 yards indoors because I can clearly see the target and bead, chronographing the loads, and using ballistic simulators to determine trajectory out to silhouette ranges. I can then find the appropriate elevations at 25 yards corresponding to the different target ranges for rimfire, PC, and rifle events.
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No1_49er wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 1:56 pm
Rotnguns wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 5:33 am This is exactly the setup I have, except with the skinnier bead from Shaver's. The aperture around the bead really helps me find the target when practicing indoors at over 30 yards.
Remember fellas, even when you are only practicing (I'm presuming for silhouette - presumption can be a dangerous thing) your equipment should be the same as if it were for a match.
Why practice with something that might not be compliant (3.1.3 (a)) for our game?

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Indeed, but I'm using the indoor range to sight in because our outdoor range is not open every day and it's often windy this time of year. I think I found a solution though - sight in at 25 yards indoors, measure velocity of my loads, use a ballistics app to find trajectories, and determine points of impact at 25 yards for zeros at the different target ranges. Then, adjust sights to match calculated points of impact at 25 yards. Seems to be good so far with rimfire, trying tomorrow with 30-30 unless we get a break in the weather at the outdoors range.
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I started by thinking what I see in my SB scope is what I want to see in my cowboy sight, a dot. I chose the bead insert for my globe. At certain times I found shadows, and lighting contrast could drive me crazy. I mounted it upside down and found that to work better more often. There are rarely shadows when you come from the top of the target. In the photo ignore the fact that there are two inserts, the point is the upside down post. Then I moved on to different versions of a front sight with a fiber. Probably a top contender for favorite among seasoned shooters. To me it more often than not looks like a comet with a tail or a 🌟. For the last few seasons an aperture is the choice and I have found it to have the least flaws. Try just the aperture, focus hard on the center of your target, regardless of its shape, it is surprisingly precise. I finish matches with less eye and brain strain than with other options. All that said it’s a matter of what suits your personal preference and allows you the most success and enjoyment (within the rules).lots of fun in exploring the options.
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375Short wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:35 am I started by thinking what I see in my SB scope is what I want to see in my cowboy sight, a dot. I chose the bead insert for my globe. At certain times I found shadows, and lighting contrast could drive me crazy. I mounted it upside down and found that to work better more often. There are rarely shadows when you come from the top of the target. In the photo ignore the fact that there are two inserts, the point is the upside down post. Then I moved on to different versions of a front sight with a fiber. Probably a top contender for favorite among seasoned shooters. To me it more often than not looks like a comet with a tail or a 🌟. For the last few seasons an aperture is the choice and I have found it to have the least flaws. Try just the aperture, focus hard on the center of your target, regardless of its shape, it is surprisingly precise. I finish matches with less eye and brain strain than with other options. All that said it’s a matter of what suits your personal preference and allows you the most success and enjoyment (within the rules).lots of fun in exploring the options.
Very creative setup! I've also read some posts from competitors who use inserts rotated 90 degrees, so that the post and bead are horizontal.
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Rotnguns wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 12:40 pm Very creative setup! I've also read some posts from competitors who use inserts rotated 90 degrees, so that the post and bead are horizontal.
Provided that you remain compliant with 3.1.3(a), you're good to go.
That rule clearly does not say vertical post, so it would be acceptable to mount it in such a way that it is horizontal, left or right facing. It's a matter of what 'sight picture' you most prefer.
Whilst a post AND a round aperture, stacked, would not be compliant, it could be argued that a bead is held in its central location by a post (of some sort) and the setup, as shown above, would be compliant.
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I would agree, a bead is always on a post. When I used that set up I was prepared to surrender to just the bead rather than be the center of attention and controversy. What I learned in practice was the bead could be tossed. That big flat post made great for a 12 o.clock hold. The bead just made things unnecessarily busy.
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I’ve shot using 2 stacked posts at 6 and 12 quite well. My brain found it easy to release the trigger when the target was sandwiched between 2 posts.
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edgehit wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:29 pm I’ve shot using 2 stacked posts at 6 and 12 quite well. My brain found it easy to release the trigger when the target was sandwiched between 2 posts.
In my book, that would not be compliant.
You are permitted to use a post (singular) but not two posts. I believe the Lee Shaver set has something similar in that there are four posts, one each at 3oc, 6oc, 9oc & 12oc, all in the same element. That is not compliant, but a round aperture is.

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What if you have a post with a hole in it? Is that a post or an aperture?

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hugh wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 5:18 pm What if you have a post with a hole in it? Is that a post or an aperture?

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Aperture.
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