New Shooter needs opinion

[_Shorty]

You just need to disable the set function, which is as simple as turning a screw. You turn the adjustment screw for the set function in far enough so that the trigger will no longer 'set', and you're good to go. Just need to set the regular trigger's weight accordingly. I've got a 453 Varmint that I'm very happy with. Have to watch scope weight in order to make hunter weight, but it's legal other than that. With the Tasco that I currently have on there it barely makes it under the 8.5 pound limit.

Is the set trigger in the 453 legal for Silhouette?

A tuned (bedding & Brooks trigger kit) CZ 452 (453?) is great, particularly with BKL rings and good glass. With Kimber out of the .22 business, a 1712 is your next stop.

[BlauBear]

The 452 Varmint is a personal favorite, and the 453 variant has a great reputation. They are heavy, but very, very nice.

[ppkny]

I wouldn't count out the new Weatherby/Anschutz 22 bolt action rifle as a step between the CZ452 and the Anschutz 1712. I fellow in our club just purchased one and for $700 it's a beautiful crafted gun that shoots excellant out of the box.
ppkny

[_Shorty]

I wasn't sure how I'd feel about the weight, having shot four matches with a loaned 452 American, and a Savage Mark II FSS that I had for a while. But I really like the extra weight now that I'm used to it.

The 452 Varmint is a personal favorite, and the 453 variant has a great reputation. They are heavy, but very, very nice.

[Whiskeyralph]

O.K. I took the plunge and went with the CZ 452. The weight is nice, the balance decent, but the trigger is going to need some help. The guy at the gun shop said that you can contact CZ and they would sell you a "kit" for about $4.95 to make them better? Don't know what's involved but he said it wasn't much. It seems to have quite a bit of "creep" that you can feel. All that being said it does shoot well so I guess we're on our way!

Thanks again to all for your comments!

Whiskeyralph

[NewAZShooter]

Congrats on the CZ acquisition. Now that you have a CZ, you'll find this site useful...

http://cz452.com/

Pretty much everything you ever wanted to know about them, including a place to purchase trigger kits, etc.

I just bought a new 452 silhouette recently and I love mine. The triggers are the weak link in these, but the kits make them a whole lot better. Mine has the kit installed and breaks at just over 2 lbs with just the tiniest bit of creep, and the break itself is very crisp. Not as nice as an Annie 2 stage. But pretty darn good for the money.

[sobrbiker883]

, but I still say, spend your money once, and get the best, in the long run it will end up cheaper, than starting with low cost guns, scopes, triggers etc. Take my word, I been there.
Evelio.

To which I can attest.....
I started (1.5yrs ago) with a Ruger 10/22T box stock. I shot a match and then found a Fajen silhoutte stock that I pillar bedded , along with modifying the trigger and a couple other routine 10/22 mods.
Than prior to the next match I traded into a Savage Anschutz Mark 10D that served well until........
I found a good buy on a 64MSR and got it! I reaallllyy liked the 64MSR, but then wanted a gun to shoot hunter class with and..........
Got the CZ452 Silo (that is now NewAZShooter's) and shot it and the 64MSR both for a while.......
Then I wanted a real good two class gun and started looking at the Weatherby MKXXII's and Kimber HS's. Decided against the Kimber because they are done with rimfires, so I doubt their warranty will hold up long term......
Almost ordered a Weatherby XXII, but I explained to the wife that I'd always want a 1712. She said "get one, Merry Christmas" !!!!
Then I realized I'd always want a Pharr stocked 1712, so I ordered a barreled 1712 action to send to Evelio and have put in a Pharr stock.

Four rifles later I have the gun I'll be shooting for years to come.

If you like silhouette, skip all the steps I took and just bite the bullet and get what you'll end up with.

Just my $.02

Now I just gotta get my Pharr stocked 7-08 from Evelio and I'll be set for years (and out of excuses-the only drawback).

Oh, Weaver T24 scopes once I got serious ride all my silly guns.

[BlauBear]

This sounds really familiar...

[Bob259]

This sounds really familiar...

But for some reason we all don't think it will happen to us... But it does. I think I learned late, but it made my HP rifle purchase a lot easier as I knew I didn't want to do it several times.... like I ended up doing with my smallbore rifle. It gets to expensive, not to mention how your scores suffer through the learning curve each time you change rifles, different trigger feel and balance.... etc.

I vote go with the 1712. you can't go wrong and you'll end up there anyway.

[BlauBear]

That also sounds familiar, Bob! I do my own research, but equipment and rules have evolved together until big changes are hard.

[cwdgun]

Seems like all of us have done the same thing, If I had all the money and time spent on getting different rifles, Could have bought the 1710 or 1712 and not have gone though the so called learning curve. So if you like the game and are just starting and can afford it (save your pennies, nickles, dimes and quarters ) you will come out of it better in the long run. Aslo the 1710,& 1712 you won't lose your money off of them. From what have seen, you'll get your money back if you ever sell it . That's my 2 cents worth. I guy ask me at the range 1 time what to buy, told him a cz would work just fine, if you can afrod one buy a annie. He went out bouht a ruger, chnage dthe tiger, barrel to a heavy one, spent about $700 on it, came to the match and wanted to shot. Told him could only shoot in the heavy class beacuse of the barrel. ask him why he got the ruger, he said a friend told him to get it. Asked him does his buddie shoot shiloutte, his ansewer was no. Looked at him and said ok, what are you going to do about shooting hunter. Guy never came back.

[_Shorty]

I'm happy with my CZ 453 Varmint for now. There are at least a couple reasons for this.

First, for now and probably a while it will shoot much better than I'm able to coax out of it while standing. Whether or not I'll become a good enough shot for it to become a hinderance remains to be seen. There is the argument that a 1712 might shoot even better, and thus there will be less non-human error involved, and I will also gain from those benefits. While true, the results I get from the bench with the 453 make me happy enough to know that I am most definitely the biggest reason for hits or misses, and the differences I may see with a 1712 won't shine through until my skill develops quite a bit. So in that light, for now, even the 453 is more gun than I need. The margin of error between it and ammunition is small enough that I'm not worried about it for silhouette.

Second, plain and simple: cost. I certainly would not have minded spending the extra dough over and above a CZ 453 Varmint's cost to instead get an Anschutz 1712, if I could have afforded it. And at the point in time it just wasn't doable. Making sure the wife got through nursing school ended up much higher on the list. Spending 2-3x the money for an Anschutz would not be that big of a concern, considering what you get and how much use and pleasure I'd get out of it, at some other point in time. I know they're an awesome gun, and if I ever decided to part with it, it would not be a painful thing to do, as I'd get my money's worth and more. But the CZ was in a price range that for the moment I could put myself in without it being a burden, and they're known to be pretty accurate too. So that's the direction I went, and I haven't been sorry. It's no Anschutz, but it's no slouch, either. Worth much more than its price tag indicates, if you ask me, or any other CZ owner. Maybe they're not gold, but they ain't dirt, and you get a lot more than you pay for. If I were just getting into the sport a few years back, or a few years from now, and I did the same research I did before buying, I'd probably end up with the Anschutz. But, life is a compromise, and sometimes we must spend what we can, when we can. I'd much rather buy the CZ now and shoot now, than wait and shoot nothing until I save up the Anschutz's price. And in a little while, when things are more settled again, maybe it'll be shopping time again. But until then, man, that CZ can shoot pretty darn well!

P.S. - Yes, I have a Tasco scope on it. hahaha ;)

[BlauBear]

Congratulations on the Varmint, Shorty! You'll enjoy it, and it sounds like your priorities are straight.

What ultimately attracted me to the 1712 was to make sure who was to blame for a miss. I thought that trough poorly, since the hit/miss ratio didn't improve all that all much...

[Dee]

I really enjoy my CZ 452. It will never be an Anshutz but its hard to even blame this rifle when I miss. When it can hit a 1.5" spinner at 84 yards using .89 cent a box ammo off a wobbly bench I can't complain to much.

I have noticed some folks waiting LONG periods lately for any orders they made with CZ452.com. My few things all came fast so I am not sure what the issue might be there. The trigger kit is sold by a few others as well who have them in stock so you might want to try those places first if you want to get it in reasonable time. The kit is well worth the change and time installing, very simple to do.


Dee

[_Shorty]

I was talking about Eric Brooks with a friend of mine, and he had a theory that sounded pretty good. He figured that the guy's probably swamped all the time, and is just terribly disorganized, and he's losing track of orders. It's strange because some people get their orders incredibly quickly, and others get them very late, on the order of a handful of months in some cases. And others never see their orders come, ever. Sometimes it looks like the guy's just ripping people off and ignoring them. And other times it looks like the guy's the best guy ever to do business with. It wouldn't be very hard to notch it up to disorganization. It's a shame that, whatever the reason(s) may be, that some people do seem to be getting ripped off. I think the guy really needs a bit of a wake up call, as no matter what's actually going on, he's taken everybody's money, but not everybody gets their stuff.