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Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:53 pm
by paper
Somewhat on the same subject, what range do you guys set your rifle up to shoot??
Do you set zero at 60, and adjust down and up from there??
I'm new to the sport, having only shot at one event. My other competitive shooting is all done at a set distance, so no changes are needed. Just wondering what the typical procedure is for this game.?
I'm shooting a Anschutz 64MS with a Weaver 10T. I've currently got it sighted in at 50' (because it's COLD outside and that's how long our indoor range is) and I'm pretty happy with accuracy..
5 shots at 50'... I'll adjust from there when I get a day above freezing or so..
Oh, and I had fun doing this.. I'm far from an artist, though. And yes, that was also done at 50'

Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:18 pm
by Dee
Zero at chickens then go up from there out to rams. Easy greasy.
Beyond that get STP (Simple Trajectory Program) you can search it for free shareware download if you want to mess around and get good dope for all other yardages. Put in the data from your rifle as close as you can. Run the numbers and see how close they come to your real life numbers. If the numbers are a little off adjust a variable or two to get the same numbers. I find it comes very close on Rimfire as well as my airguns. Usually within a few clicks at most that is why I adjust it to match. Then you can print a yard for yard range card from your Chicken zero for closer and farther shots and dial to them with ease.
Most ammo I have shot was all within 1" or less overall difference in POA vs POI. So it crosses over close to most similar ammo types as well.
Dee
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 7:15 pm
by paper
Thank you!! I figured there was a common procedure..
Since I'm asking (but pretty much a different topic)
I always test each .22 to find out what ammo it likes. I've found that this rifle prefers standard velocity stuff, with the best being the Aguillia Super Extra Standard Velocity. It also liked the Federal Auto Match, which I only tried just cuz I had a box. I've got a couple bricks of T22 and I haven't tried that.. Anyway, my question is that while the most important thing is something consistent, is there any advantage to high velocity ammo?
Again, I'm new to the game and while I find that targets don't take a lot of punch to knock over, do the high velocity rounds do any better? My plan is to stick with what the rifle likes, but I figured I'd ask.
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:06 pm
by cedestech
Actually the Aguilla SE isn't bad if your rifle likes it. My 22LR contender pistol barrel I use for HP loves it over Eley and SK. Some rifles like AM22 but your most consistent result will be with standard
velocity ammo and 99% of people use SK or Eley of one flavor or another. Key is to find what your rifle likes then buy it by the case when you can. ;)
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:31 pm
by ShootingStar
First off - welcome to the addiction!
You asked about High Velocity ammo. . .
Rules say not allowed in smallbore silhouette, only standard velocity. That being said, you're on the right track - find what the gun likes and get all you can afford!!!
If you want to find out what high vel shoots well, that might make sense if you are going to do some other sport or hunting with the rifle/scope setup.
Good luck and shoot often.
ShootingStar
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:51 am
by paper
ShootingStar wrote:
You asked about High Velocity ammo. . .
Rules say not allowed in smallbore silhouette, only standard velocity.
Thank you and I wasn't aware of this.. The only event I've participated in stated standard or high velocity was OK, and Hyper velocity was not. My guess is the club does this to get more shooters at the event by loosening restrictions.. Teetertotter might have some input on that as I know he's part of the event.
Anyway, it was because of what's stated for this event that I took it as gospel.
As luck would have it, yes, my rifle prefers standard velocity, so it's all good. And now to continue to learn and enjoy!!
I've shot numerous CMP Garand matches, Rimfire sporter, and also NRA High Power matches, and it's the CMP rimfire matches that I really enjoy. I'm lucky enough to own two Anschutz based rifles with 64 actions and while they're a Savage and Weatherby, in reality they're Anschutz and both shoot very similar. I've enjoyed these competitions and look forward to the silhouette matches. Of course the major battle is to find the needed time.. Too many irons in the fire.

Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:01 am
by OldRanger
About the ammo, there is actually some wiggle room there. The rules just say "Smallbore ammunition shall be factory loaded .22 caliber short, long or long
rifle rimfire cartridges. Hot loads, such as “stingers,” are not permitted". So high velocity could be allowed as long as it won't damage targets. It also says ". The use of any other type ammunition may be prohibited by local range or tournament regulations" so it sounds like they COULD ban hv if they wanted to. Just sayin...
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:48 pm
by BCloninger
It's up to the match director, but other shooters are still likely to fuss about louder high velocity ammunition.
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:42 am
by Jason
I can't say that I've ever actually seen anyone complain about another shooting using high velocity ammo. I've seen high velocity used at many local matches and every big match that I've been to (Conard Cup, Southern Nationals, Iron Man, etc). It is typically only used by competitors in the lower classes since it can cost you precious hits that each matter more and more as you get higher up the class ladder.
I don't allow hyper velocity (Stinger, Velocitor, etc.) ammo to be used in the smallbore matches that I'm match director for and would definitely stop a competitor from using any ammo that damaged the targets. It's actually pretty easy to hear the difference between a 1200fps 22LR shot and a 1400FPS shot during a match. My daughter uses her Henry 22LR lever gun in our pistol cartridge lever action silhouette matches and uses Velocitors on rams for a bit of extra push in hopes of knocking a few over. It definitely sounds different than the Mini-mags or Automatch ammo she uses on the smallbore lever animals and the other PC lever animals.
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:39 pm
by teetertotter
Our Silhouette tournaments/ matches/range allow only std and high velocity. We have signs on our dedicated range what ammo is allowed.....w.....NO Hyper.
We have club members that use our range for plinking using steel plate animals of various shapes and sizes. They have easy access to these animals in a separate bin and can set them up on the animal stands at all 4 distances. Families and or adults with kids use our Silhouette range on a regular basis for plinking. It is a nice place to work with beginner shooters. We have a couple picnic type tables converted to being able to shoot from the bench, left side or right side and on one set of wheels. The tables are also used for sighting in purposes.
I thought I would reply, even if off topic in answer to another question. Also, Aquila SE is pretty accurate in my 452 American, but use Aquila Match Rifle all the time.
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:17 pm
by paper
It's these same tables that have swallowed hours of my Saturday afternoons..
I enjoy grabbing all the small targets and setting them up at 100 meters, and then shooting them off a rest. It's a fun challenge and reactive targets ROCK!!
And on the ammo note, I got lucky and was able to score 5 bricks of Wolf Match Target. I've got a CZ 453 that is also a fan of this round

Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:14 am
by edgehit
Paper,
You will find discover at some point in your .22 shooting career that the target grade, subsonic ammo, is preferred because it does not suffer from transonic effects. There's a lot of posts that explain so happy searching!
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:27 am
by paper
Well, I've been target shooting, one way or another, since I got my first .22, which would have been 36 years ago (that hurt) when I was 12 (that hurt even more)
When Remington came out with their subsonic round I read up on the subject and did some testing.. And then, just as now, I found that subsonic ammo, even the so-so quality of the Remington subsonic did a nice job of shrinking groups.
When I asked about ammo, I didn't mean that I wanted to shoot high velocity stuff, but was only asking if there was an advantage with it when knocking down targets.
I'm not a bigger, faster, chest thumper.

I shotgun hunt with a 28 gauge and occasionally a 20 gauge. I typically deer hunt with either a 6.5 Swede or a .257 Roberts, and while I do own a 1200 BMW motorcycle, I'm normally found on my 50cc or 250cc scooter.
I don't remember the last time I bought a box of Stingers, and most of the .22 ammo I buy is accuracy based, when available.
But, I do thank everyone for their help on this matter!

I'm here to learn, share, and most importantly, have fun!
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:49 am
by teetertotter
Paper, we hope to see you and friend for some indoor paper practice, Monday eve's, Jan through April.
I will be bringing my scoped 39a on occasion that got me started 5 years ago. Seven inches of snow this morning......DANG. Neighbor around the corner snow blowed our corner lot sidewalk + driveway. Young nice family!
Re: Newbe question about optics
Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:54 am
by paper
I will be there, as my schedule allows! Looking forward to it!!
Got about the same amount of snow down (all 20 miles south) and I'm just about to get out the snow blower. I typically do my driveway, and the entire block of sidewalk.. That way, when I'm travelling and not home, someone will at least take care of my sidewalk.
Time to get to work. Have a great Christmas and I'll see you on the 6th!!