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Take this Obama

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:07 am
by Travelor
I do not normally post anything political and I will not in the future, but this is just too good to not share.

Here is a link the Governor Sarah Palin's VP acceptance speech: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventi ... 910&page=1

Whether you are an Obama or McCain supporter or just an observer of the election process, this speech probably won the election for her and Senator McCain.

:wink:
George

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:16 am
by mordecai
"I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening. We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco. "
It's going back, going back, back to the wall and IT'S GONE FOLKS, A GRAND SALAMI!!!

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:27 am
by jneihouse
Watching the speech, as watching the camera pan across Governor Palin's family, I just had to smile.....looking at her husband and older son, I turned to my wife and said (and I sincerely mean this as a huge compliment as those of you who really know me can attest) "Honey, I have to believe that somewhere on their property there is a rusty car that will not run up on blocks".......And here's the deal....assuming McCain is elected at 72 he will be no less than 76 when his term is up...most likely a one term president.....All falls into place you could be looking at the future next President of the United States.....What an alternative to HIllary......

Kitty

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:04 pm
by CWS
Much like the neutered dog, the Dems don't get it... and the car that John mentions you can be sure was worn flat out before it became a parts bin. Favorite line to date for me was Huckabee's "She got more votes for mayor in Wasilla than Biden got for President..." I would also recommend Annie Coulter's column for anyone whose bloodlust is deficient.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:01 pm
by BlauBear
Something to watch: Palin and McCain both have tempers that may show at inconvenient moments under campaign stress. Palin in particular has been described as "brittle", accurately or not I don't know, and a woman politician cannot afford to show that publicly because it reinforces stereotypes. McCain might get away with an outburst but it would sink her.

Everyone knows I'm ambivalent about this election because I disagree with both candidates on some major issues, so yes, I'm watching both sides for anything that makes me feel good about voting for (or against) them.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:59 pm
by jneihouse
Don't worry about outbursts...Old men and pretty women can get away with just about anything.........

Kitty

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:03 pm
by Jim T.
BlauBear wrote:Something to watch: Palin and McCain both have tempers that may show at inconvenient moments under campaign stress. Palin in particular has been described as "brittle", accurately or not I don't know, and a woman politician cannot afford to show that publicly because it reinforces stereotypes. McCain might get away with an outburst but it would sink her.

Everyone knows I'm ambivalent about this election because I disagree with both candidates on some major issues, so yes, I'm watching both sides for anything that makes me feel good about voting for (or against) them.
Blah, Blah, Blah,........

Please provide source of "brittle" comment. Biden is notorious for staying stupid things when he gets mad, something you might want to watch.

I will pretend I care what you decide.

As for me, I am voting for the HERO not the O (zero).

As Howard Wolfson (look him up) slipped up today and said, "If you are for abortion rights and gun control, you are proably not going to vote for McCain/Palin." I think we all know what that means.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:26 pm
by BlauBear
Jim T. wrote:
BlauBear wrote:Something to watch: Palin and McCain both have tempers that may show at inconvenient moments under campaign stress. Palin in particular has been described as "brittle", accurately or not I don't know, and a woman politician cannot afford to show that publicly because it reinforces stereotypes. McCain might get away with an outburst but it would sink her.

Everyone knows I'm ambivalent about this election because I disagree with both candidates on some major issues, so yes, I'm watching both sides for anything that makes me feel good about voting for (or against) them.
Blah, Blah, Blah,........

Please provide source of "brittle" comment. Biden is notorious for staying stupid things when he gets mad, something you might want to watch.

I will pretend I care what you decide.

As for me, I am voting for the HERO not the O (zero).

As Howard Wolfson (look him up) slipped up today and said, "If you are for abortion rights and gun control, you are proably not going to vote for McCain/Palin." I think we all know what that means.
Sorry if it sounded like an attack, it was meant as a concern since I'd rather hear real information instead of 3rd grade name calling. Right now the "brittle" comments are unsubstantiated but "making the rounds", and unlike some of the other rumors this one is potentially damaging. And yes, Biden can get away with it, so can McCain, but if Palin slips it becomes proof that women aren't stable enough to be president. Double standards are persistent, and fair or not she will be measured against this one just like any woman in politics.

Like many others, my vote is determined by more than two issues. My ideal candidate would support individual rights regardless of their personal beliefs, and I just don't see anyone like that in this race. Beats me which ones are least dangerous.

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:11 pm
by Jim T.
Could you give me a hint where you heard the "unsubstantiated," "rumors" (sure would be hard to glean those qualifiers from your original post) that she is "brittle." Was it CNN, NBC, MoveOn.org, dailyKOS, FOX News, assorted left wing blogs? I just want to know so I can judge future political statements made by you in a clear light.

Of course we are all for protecting individual rights. The problem seems to be we can't agree what those rights are or when they begin. For instance, O (zero) thinks people who don't pay taxes have the right to $650 billion of refundable tax credits that come out of the pockets of people who actually pay taxes. Governor Palin on the other hand, believed her son Trig had the right to be born even though he would be challenged (as would her entire family) and some believe that it the greatest individual right of all.

I wish you luck in the 8 weeks ahead in your quest for deciding who is the "least dangerrous" candidate. Speaking for myself, it is quiet clear that the HERO would never associate with the likes of William Ayers or Reverend Wright and, accordingly, it is a no-brainer (the easiest kind of decision short of voting "present" over 130 times in the Illinois legislature) decision for me.

Take This Obama

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:44 pm
by Jim Beckley
McCain is a Senator from Az (as everyone knows), he has voted not really in favor of gun owners in the past that has left a few of us thinking that he is indeed a closet democrat, but given the choice between the two evils, he definetly has my vote. I have utmost respect for McCain's service to the country, but more for the Naval Aviator side than the Senator side!

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:27 am
by Innocent
but if Palin slips it becomes proof that women aren't stable enough to be president.
BB,
Men are stable????? Emotionally or physically????
Having been a member of a sex that has given live birth (and five miscarriages ), I might suggest that no man is in the position to even begin to understand what goes on during pregnancy or birthing, and therefore should not even consider voicing, much less forcing an opinion on a woman as to what she should or should not do with her body.

That being said would you care to discuss stability and who should be the judge of such an opinion?

As for the election, I am very disappointed that in the population of the US that this is supposedly our best two candidates. I will repeat my earlier statement in July, the president truly has very little power other than that of a figurehead, please look long and hard at the senators and congressmen running and vote for the best of them.
I remain Innocent and I guess unstable...
Mary

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:10 am
by Kevin6q
Mary,
Well said regarding the governance of the US. The president does have the ability to influence what goes on. Look at how Bush lead the country into an extremely expensive military action and trashed the economy. (Flame suit going on) The congress and senate went along and started backing out after they saw their jobs in jeopardy.

I can visit with my congressman and senator but good luck getting an audience w/ the president.

Only 0.5% of constituents actively interact with their congressional representatives once they are in office. Want political influence? Get involved with the congressional leaders.

At the rate of 1 person per 200 who interact, we as individuals have the ability to represent 199 others who sit on the couch and complain about what happens with regard to leadership. This is powerful and the vast majority of Americans don't take advantage of this power. As a culture we're too lazy to write a simple letter. We (self included) spend a lot of time on forums such as this spraying our views to others who might or might not write the elected officials.

I enjoy reading others views if I agree or not but if we want to effect change we should spend the time adding to this discussion by sending our opinions and wishes to our representatives. In theory, we govern ourselves but have abdicated this privilege to a handful of others and then complain they don't do what we want.

I also believe the problem isn't with the ...ism, it's with the ...ist. Any political leader who I believe is an extremist, to the right or left is dangerous if put into office. Do I believe in the second amendment? Yes. Do I believe women have the right to choose? Yes. Do I believe creationism (another ism) should be taught in school? Yes, but give all views. Each ism has a belief ranging from the Christian fundamentalist, the Hindu, native American, to Scientology and those views that support evolution. Do I support out troops? Yes. Do I believe we should be in Iraq? No.

The president can lay out whatever ideas, tax cuts, social programs they want. Getting these ideas into action does require the approval of the congress and senate. With a 200:1 ration we should focus our efforts on these positions if we want to change things. Thanks, Mary for reminding me of this.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:13 am
by Innocent
Kevin,
At the risk of exposing an 'ism' on my side ( I tend to keep religion choice very personal and close to me).

Amen
Mary

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:53 am
by gunbits
I'm sorry, these two statements are in complete contrast...
Mary" wrote:I will repeat my earlier statement in July, the president truly has very little power other than that of a figurehead...
Kevin6q wrote:Mary, Well said regarding the governance of the US. The president does have the ability to influence what goes on. Look at how Bush lead the country into an extremely expensive military action and trashed the economy. (Flame suit going on) The congress and senate went along and started backing out after they saw their jobs in jeopardy.
You either have "very little power" or you can influence the entire congress.

Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:22 am
by BlauBear
Links to the "brittle" quote will be posted when I find them, but so far I've only found a blog, and I didn't have the foresight to save the original story. The quote was attributed to an aide.

Mary, I said that the stereotype is of women being less stable and that Palin cannot afford to do anything that reinforces the stereotype. "The Boys" in the race could show a little temper and be described as "strong", but the same showing from Palin would get her called "Brittle". It isn't fair, but it is true.

I try to measure my political values against the ideal of individual liberty. I don't always like where that leads, and there are other values that beg equal billing, but the first and final measure where laws are concerned is individual liberty. Both parties fail this test.