sanctioned state championships

[dustinflint]

I didnt mean to hijack the thread - my opinion of state associations as they relate to silhouette state championship matches is that the associations are entirely useless.

Dustin

[Snake]

Dustin, you are correct. The Missouri Sport Shooting Association says that only a state resident and member can be the state champion. Moreover, I joined years ago as a life member....they lost the records....so that says it all about the MSSA....Accordingly I schedule a regional and ignore the MSSA.....

[hermit5]

Anybody else have a few words on the topic of State Associations.
I've got a couple more questions?
1.If you are the non-resident and win the match.Would you be content with the High Open Award if State Association rule says resident can only be State Champion?
2 If it appears that state mandates actually hurt match attendance.Should the NRA rethink their requirement of sanctioning through the state org before approving a state championship?

[Innocent]

1. Yes, I would be content with a High Open award.
2. The NRA needs to do a lot more across the board for competitive shooting, especially silhouette. I have been an NRA lifer since the early 70's for competitive reasons, and shot many different disciplines, they do not support the youth training and competitions the way they used to.

Mary

[Dee]

So to summarize...

Most state shooting organizations and the NRA are more of a hindering than helping lot when it comes to Silhouette. This games survives in spite of them and not because of them!


Dee

[hermit5]

Times up.
Thanks to all for the responses.Now for mine.
It seems that when the NRA requirement for sanctioning through the state was implemented,its intentions were noble.
Like so many ideas that come from around the DC beltway the results were not as planned.Therefore i don't see any change.
I do believe that it should be a topic for discussion by the Silhouette Committee.That topic should be. Are these state orgs(not all) actually hurting participation in silhouette?This should be the #1 priority to the committee.They need not be concerned about being a cash"vehicle" for these state orgs.
I will probably be a member of my states org for its 2nd Amendment value.
In summary of the responses. I would say that these state orgs add no value to our sport.In fact they may cause undue burdens financially,clerical,and
reputation of the host club.
Maybe more later.

[hermit5]

This being the top forum for silhouette shooters.I would hope that members of the Silhouette committee would post or at least lurk here to know whats going on.
I am appealing once more to members of the silhouette committee to review the requirement of having to sanction through the state org.
Particularly if any state seems to fail repeatedly in its function in regards to any silhouette state championship.Furthermore if that org hurts participation of any state silhouette match be it fees,awards,or mandates.
So how to go about this.
I am asking the opinion of state championship silhouette participants.Not any particular state...yet.
Please reply.

[red-top dakota]

Here in the Dakota's, (North and South) the state orgs are about the same as far as common sense---NONE. I am a life member of the North Dakota shooting sports and a yearly member of my own state-- South Dakota shooting sports association. I have tried repeatedly to get them to acknowledge the state champion as such regardless of their home state. It always falls on deaf ears, kind of like talking to your congressional delegation. The silhouette community here consists of a handful of die-hards from both states who support each other in their matches over the course of the year. Without one group or the other from either state the matches are nil. Don't have any answers--- but the state champion should be the STATE CHAMPION no matter where he or she is from. Kelly Landis.

[Innocent]

Hermit,
I will try to answer as both former state champion and as a state association director. State associations in general have fallen away from the support they used to provide much the way the NRA has fallen in its support of competition. To that topic, having been officer in several other organizations such as exotic bird clubs and gem/mineral groups I have seen the decline of those organizations as well due to several things. 1) the manner of communication, 2) the general push to disorganize any group, 3) human laziness. Florida's state association does not do a lot of hands on for 2nd amendment rights, due to fear of IRS issues and some directors being way too overbearing about fear of being sued and pushing that fear, see note 2 above. We do not print a newsletter, "costs too much", go to the web site....many of our members don't do computers. Personal observation, if it is on the computer you may or may not read it, if it is in print in your mailbox you physically have to do something with it and chances are higher that you will at least look at it, see note 1. As for getting people involved, very difficult to get commitment out of people when there are many comments made on this instant response forum such as computers/texting etc. as many things are said that otherwise might have been thought through and handled in a different manner. This forum is an excellent example in that some of the comments made are truly in jest but are taken the wrong way, and to some appear offensive thus the lack of willingness to become involved.
In the past the state associations did support competitions much the way the NRA did, they have now become large political money grabbing groups, if you don't think so, take a long hard look at the budgets for NRA Foundation, NRA ILA etc. and the salaries for those in charge. This is being taught at the college level, look into non-profit management degrees.
My answer, go back to the grassroots support, no salaries for non-profits, communicate via printed material as well as online, make sure that online is edited by someone with intentions of supporting the organization agenda (FL has had an anti-gun web page editor in the past). How to get the silhouette committee to do something???? I think Harlon Carter fought many years ago to prevent the changes in the NRA voting system and lost.

Mary

[yankee]

Mary, Boy I think you hit that dead center. If someone in a certain state wants to have a state championship they can without interference from the NRA or the state. All they have to do is call it something else such as Bills Championship or Yearly Championship or Unofficial State Championship. The only thing then is that it is an "approved" match and not a "registered match" where all shooting records are recorded. Or just have a regional match which is registered and send a couple dollars to the nra and get a little advertisement in "shooting sports" and get some medals.
Happy New Year

[teetertotter]

Thank you Mary. There were some board openings for our wisconsinforce.com and submitted my name for the February elections. How it works, I haven't a clue, and no info has been forwarded to me either. They used to meet once a month and been changed to quarterly. Now, not sure if for officers only or if the meetings include board members.

Anyway, I plan to make myself present and raise any concerns. The 2014 Classification Score Books arrive today. Price is still $13.00. I was looking for another increase from a couple years ago.