De-Resonator - Limbsaver

[boats]

Remember when that rule was put it, for the factory Browning that had a built in tuner. Major manufacturer has a lot of pull I guess. Bolt something else on, it's another thing.

Boats

[Steelshooter2]

It's an offhand match. I don't see where it makes the gun any easier to shoot. I can see not allowing a muzzlebrake or compensator.

[Jason]

Tuners can make a difference in group size, especially in smallbore where we can't really load our own ammo to tune it to the rifle. They are also adjustable weights that do make it easier to shoot offhand. This one just happens to be a cheaper, lighter version and I don't want to get into any gray area trying to define what weights/prices of tuners should be allowed. I definitely doubt that the manufacturer's claims are true but I don't really have anything against this one, other than the fact that the matches that I run are NRA sanctioned so we follow the NRA rules. I think this is fine for standard smallbore rifle class.

As I mentioned earlier, I wouldn't turn away a new shooter that shows up to one of my matches with this on his barrel. I would discuss it with him the first time and, if he didn't want to remove it for the match, I would probably let it be in hunter class that first match while I confirmed with the NRA silhouette committee what the official ruling was. By my interpretation of the rules, it doesn't qualify as a factory tuner and while attached to the barrel it would prevent the barrel from tapering from the chamber to the muzzle. Unless the NRA silhouette committee ruled otherwise before the next match, I wouldn't let a rifle with one attached to the barrel be used to compete for match winner for smallbore hunter rifle and I wouldn't enter a score shot with such a rifle in the NRA scorebook on the smallbore hunter rifle page. When I initial that score in the NRA scorebook, I'm vouching that the score was shot within the rules that the NRA laid out. Not following the NRA rules can get the match approval revoked, as well as making shooters wonder what else is not done by the rules, which is interpreted as being done fairly.

[dscak1]

Referring to Boats previous entry regarding the Browning built-in tuner, 3.16.1 specifically mentions that stating "(The adjustment holes on the Boss-CR are not considered to be compensators, muzzle brakes or barrel porting.)" Based on this statement , 3.1.1(e) regarding a factory tuner, would seem to indicate the rules are considering a device installed by the original manufacturer, ie, Browning. This being under High Power Hunting Silhouette Rifle, I would then go to 3.2.1 which indicates Smallbore Hunting Silhouette Rifle is identical to the description of High Power Hunting Silhouette Rifle, except .......(d), "barrel tuners or additional weights are not permitted. Dan

[boats]

Thats it, not allowed in Hunter class.

Boats

[Jerry G]

"And 3.16.1 just says muzzle brakes and compensators are not allowed. So is this discussion mainly on if the limbsaver is a 'Factory Tuner'?
I'm a newbie, but if I was on a jury and saw this rule I would say its fine"

I had a third party tuner on my hunting rifle and the NRA made me take it off. A factory tuner is a tuner that was put on the rifle by the rifle mfg.

[teetertotter]

I sent another email to the Silhouette division asking them for an acknowledgement on my original email. I will give it 2 more days and then call Barry Ranney - Silhouette Program Coordinator.

[OldRanger]

3.2.1 which indicates Smallbore Hunting Silhouette Rifle is identical to the description of High Power Hunting Silhouette Rifle, except .......(d), "barrel tuners or additional weights are not permitted. Dan

That seems clear enough to me now. I hadn't noticed that part.
"After further review, the ruling on the field is reversed. No Limbsaver!"

[teetertotter]

I received a voice mail from Greg this morning at 9:28 and he said no. The rule book is correct. At the same time, he is going to bring it up to the November rules committee meeting. Jon

[teetertotter]

I received a voice mail from Greg this morning at 9:28 and he said no. The rule book is correct. At the same time, he is going to bring it up to the November rules committee meeting. Jon

Follow-up, I did call back Greg and anything attached to the barrel is in the "Compensator" Classification. Nothing can be attached to the barrel. He said this came up 3 years ago and then again with my questioning. We will see if a different ruling in November, but suspect there will be more defining what a compensator includes and not allowed. I mentioned Greg Engle and figured it must be okay as he had his own style De-resonator at our championship in 2012. Nothing can be affixed to the barrel in both classes. Again, I think the rules committee will be more explicit to the ruling regarding what is a compensator or flatly state nothing can be attached to the barrel.

[Steelshooter2]

I don't see in the rules where a tuner is not permitted in standard class. A tuner is not a compensator. Google it.

[OldRanger]

I don't see in the rules where a tuner is not permitted in standard class. A tuner is not a compensator. Google it.

I'm pretty sure folks here are saying its allowed in standard class, just not hunter.

[teetertotter]

I just received in writing from Rick Berry, Silhouette Program Director, "NOTHING CAN BE ATTACHED TO THE BARREL."

This is for both Hunter and Std Class. I have Rick's e-mail and if anyone wants to view it PM me with e-mail address. He and Greg will be defining more clearly in November's Rules Committee Meeting.

Jon

[Innocent]

Kind of had my head down in the books for a few weeks. Who is Rick Berry? Did a quick search on NRA website and can't find him listed.


Mary

[teetertotter]

My fault, his name is Rick Ranney, who is Program Coordinator Silhouette/Black Powder
[email protected] I also forwarded the NRA correspondence to your email address.