Remington's new high-end rimfire?
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Remington's new high-end rimfire?
Just got the summer Remington Country email with the new rifles in it. Here's the link to the new rimfire.
http://www.remington.com/products/firea ... el_547.asp
[quote]Model 547
http://www.remington.com/products/firea ... el_547.asp
[quote]Model 547
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MSRP is around $1,200 and folks have been told $920 street - when they're available. This spring Remington said the Custom Shop expected the tooling in June and would begin taking orders.
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I asked and they declined. A simple solution might be a 504-T stock...
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For the last year I've begged Remington to build a competitive .22 and they just won't. If you like the 547, get one, but don't count on it for competition. Save your energy for a 1712.
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Kitty, just for that I'm shooting the 504Mc on Saturday! I found the fix this afternoon and just need to sort out the best implementation.
I've been very stubborn about making 504's shoot and have learned a lot about Remington's mistakes in that rifle (their name is legion), and in doing so learned lots about accurate rifles in general. Look at the 1712 to see one with everything done right.
In particular, the receiver is slit to receive the barrel easily. It simplifies manufacturing but weakens an otherwise stout receiver, so the barrel needs extra support somewhere, maybe right away, maybe later, but it will need it. In my latest experience the rifle came back from Evelio shooting great, but then lost its' mind. If Remington also does this on the 547, forget it - they didn't learn enough from the 504.
I've been very stubborn about making 504's shoot and have learned a lot about Remington's mistakes in that rifle (their name is legion), and in doing so learned lots about accurate rifles in general. Look at the 1712 to see one with everything done right.
In particular, the receiver is slit to receive the barrel easily. It simplifies manufacturing but weakens an otherwise stout receiver, so the barrel needs extra support somewhere, maybe right away, maybe later, but it will need it. In my latest experience the rifle came back from Evelio shooting great, but then lost its' mind. If Remington also does this on the 547, forget it - they didn't learn enough from the 504.
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What do you mean that it lost it's mind. I have a 504 that Evelio put a Anschutz 1710 barrel on and was thinking about putting it into a stock like you did. Did the barrel come loose or what happened?BlauBear wrote:Kitty, just for that I'm shooting the 504Mc on Saturday! I found the fix this afternoon and just need to sort out the best implementation.
I've been very stubborn about making 504's shoot and have learned a lot about Remington's mistakes in that rifle (their name is legion), and in doing so learned lots about accurate rifles in general. Look at the 1712 to see one with everything done right.
In particular, the receiver is slit to receive the barrel easily. It simplifies manufacturing but weakens an otherwise stout receiver, so the barrel needs extra support somewhere, maybe right away, maybe later, but it will need it. In my latest experience the rifle came back from Evelio shooting great, but then lost its' mind. If Remington also does this on the 547, forget it - they didn't learn enough from the 504.
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Paul;
Groups went from one hole at 40 meters to 2", sometimes stringing and sometimes making two nice, tight groups. This is familiar 504 behavior, and frustrating because it hints that the rifle has real potential. Remington creates a pressure ridge in the forearm of their factory stock to provide support for the barrel, but this backfires if it creates too much pressure (and the difference too much and too little is measured in thousandths) and the barrel squirms against it, sticking and then popping loose with a creak. So people sand out the pressure pad and think the problem is cured. When accuracy problems return later they wonder what happened.
In my opinion, cradling the barrel is the real solution. Experiments yesterday confirmed that a traditional pressure pad helps very little while 1.5mm of cardboard lining the barrel channel right at the end of the forearm produced very good, repeatable results. A piece of 2mm dense foam should make a better temporary fix to confirm initial results.
Bedding the barrel right at the tip is a permanent fix that would allow everything to settle into a permanent, tension free relationship.
Groups went from one hole at 40 meters to 2", sometimes stringing and sometimes making two nice, tight groups. This is familiar 504 behavior, and frustrating because it hints that the rifle has real potential. Remington creates a pressure ridge in the forearm of their factory stock to provide support for the barrel, but this backfires if it creates too much pressure (and the difference too much and too little is measured in thousandths) and the barrel squirms against it, sticking and then popping loose with a creak. So people sand out the pressure pad and think the problem is cured. When accuracy problems return later they wonder what happened.
In my opinion, cradling the barrel is the real solution. Experiments yesterday confirmed that a traditional pressure pad helps very little while 1.5mm of cardboard lining the barrel channel right at the end of the forearm produced very good, repeatable results. A piece of 2mm dense foam should make a better temporary fix to confirm initial results.
Bedding the barrel right at the tip is a permanent fix that would allow everything to settle into a permanent, tension free relationship.
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504
Bob,
There is a gunsmith by the name of Brian Volker that I believe welds the 504 action up and then threads the barrel to the action. Maybe this is the ultimate solotion to truely fix the 504. Not sure if I want to invest anymore money in mine. I have 2-Anschutz and Three Remington 40x's that I can shoot with out spending any more on the 504.
Good luck to you,
Paul
There is a gunsmith by the name of Brian Volker that I believe welds the 504 action up and then threads the barrel to the action. Maybe this is the ultimate solotion to truely fix the 504. Not sure if I want to invest anymore money in mine. I have 2-Anschutz and Three Remington 40x's that I can shoot with out spending any more on the 504.
Good luck to you,
Paul
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Re: 504
But you willstsbuyer wrote: I have 2-Anschutz and Three Remington 40x's that I can shoot with out spending any more on the 504.
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