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[nshane]

I have a Savage Anschutz Modell Match 64 and I'm trying to identify exactly what "model" it is and if I should keep it or upgrade. IIRC someone at RFC identified it as a 1407. The fore end of the stock tapers into the bottom of the trigger guard. The accessory rail runs almost all the way to the trigger guard. I'll try to post pics later.

I know its a Match 64 action with a 28" barrel (I think I remembered that right). The guy that owned it before me shot metric prone with it so it has the scope mounts on the barrel and about 10 pounds of lead throughout the stock. I've taken all the lead out at it hovers around 12lbs with a 3-9x40 tasco scope. It's not the best but it holds 1/2" 5shot groups at 50 yds.

I've had it for about 18 years and after quite some time of being away from shooting I'm back. No one in my area shoots NRA silhouette so I've been shooting with the IHMSA guys on half size steel at 25/50/75/100yds. I've shot six 40 shot rounds with them and I'm in the mid to high 20's consistently. I know those scores will drop as the targets get smaller and at their right distances.

So now with the questions:
1. Is there any point in putting money in this rifle? I still shoot fairly well with it, its just a little on the heavy side.

2. Is there a composite/fiberglass stock available for this action that is similar to the one on it? I like the shape of the current one, but I'm trying to get the weight down. I do not like thumbholes. I like the looks of the McMillan "Anschutz Silhouette." It is pretty close to the factory stock.

3. The previous owner got sloppy with his glass bedding and I think covered the date. Is there a way to find out how old it is from the serial number?

And as a slap in the face to my Annie, I broke out my Marlin Model 60 with a 4x32 scope and shot a 29/40. That day the best I managed with the Ans. was a 25/40. And they both magically like Eley Sport ammo:)

Thanks for reading my long rambling post, its been a long day.

[Innocent]

1. Is there any point in putting money in this rifle? I still shoot fairly well with it, its just a little on the heavy side.

2. Is there a composite/fiberglass stock available for this action that is similar to the one on it? I like the shape of the current one, but I'm trying to get the weight down. I do not like thumbholes. I like the looks of the McMillan "Anschutz Silhouette." It is pretty close to the factory stock.

3. The previous owner got sloppy with his glass bedding and I think covered the date. Is there a way to find out how old it is from the serial number?

And as a slap in the face to my Annie, I broke out my Marlin Model 60 with a 4x32 scope and shot a 29/40. That day the best I managed with the Ans. was a 25/40. And they both magically like Eley Sport ammo:)

Thanks for reading my long rambling post, its been a long day.

First welcome to the mad house.... Second your description of the rifle stock does remind me of my brothers 1407....

Now lets get to the questions, or at least some of them. Yes it is a little on the heavy side, max weight on standard (heavy) rifle in NRA is 10 pounds 2 ounces with sights. Light (hunter) rifle weight limit is 8.5 pounds, but it already does not fit because my memory is that it is not a tapered barrel and not a 'hunting' stlye stock.

McMillan compostition stock will probably take you down in weight (depending on how much wood was removed to put lead in), but I sincerely doubt that much, as it sounds as though you are already about two pounds overweight with a minimal amount of weight in the scope.

For your question on serial number/age, I would check with Anschutz directly.

As for the Marlin outshooting the Annie, I would venture to say that probably you are far more comfortable with the Marlin and possibly have shot it longer, therefore know it much better. Another thing with this may be the scope and how accurately they are adjusting and how well you sighted them on that day under the specific conditions you were shooting in. Marlins are accurate, especially if you know the gun.

There..now I have rambled back as much, if not more,and the day is only starting to slow down.
Wait til winter gets here and a number of the cooler weather shooters are developing cabin fever. Hope this helps you make choices. Great rifle.

Innocent Mary

[sobrbiker883]

You will probably be stuck in standard/heavy gun class anyway, if my memory serves me right a 64 Match doesn't have any taper to the barrel.

You can probably find a 64MS (sillywet model) stock on RFC, here, or ebay........I think the "match" stocks are too deep to be strictly within the rules from the centerline of the bore to the bottom of the stock (where it meets the trigger guard).

Shoot what works best for you and enjoy!!

[sobrbiker883]

Click this:
http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/index.ph ... how=schaft

Get the product number for the bottom stock and see if Champion's can order it and how much it would be..........sell your match stock on RFC.
Just an idea...........

[dwl]

"...someone at RFC identified it as a 1407"

A 1407 is a 54 action. I have one that I restocked with a used Anschutz silhouette stock. Wonderful gun but had to remove a lot of wood from the butt to make it down to 10lbs 2oz. Some one questioned it at one of the matches because of the looong barrel but it passed tech check.

There are similarly stocked 64 action guns. If you restock you can probably get it down to 10lbs 2oz however, with a straight taper barrel it will only qualify for Standard Rifle. That's not a bad thing. If you're shooting with the IHMSA boys you might as well just keep shooting and work on improving your skills.

When you do get to an NRA Approved or Sanctioned match you'll have to shoot it in Standard. Then again there's the perfect excuse for another new gun! You got it made!

dwl

[nshane]

Sorry for the crappy quality. The only camera I have handy is a camera phone.

I measured last night and the fore end is too deep to meet spec. It also exceeds the minimum of 8" past the receiver ring, so thats even more weight. I'm going to take it apart into the barrel/action and stock and weigh the pieces. If the long barrel (26") is just too heavy I know where the problem is and I'll call it a day with this one and start looking into another Standard class rifle.

Anybody know a good way to remove glass bedding from the stock and barrel? The guy that did it was a little sloppy and some splattered on the barrel and covered the date code.


Kinda up close and personal. Tasco 3-9x40 scope borrowed from another rifle. I have iron sights that I might try out next season


Little farther out. I have 50 yds to practice on in the back yard.


[edit: i borked the photobucket and lost two pics. not that you're missing much without them.]

[sobrbiker883]

I measured last night and the fore end is too deep to meet spec. It also exceeds the minimum of 8" past the receiver ring, so thats even more weight.
The rule is that the stoch MUST extend at least 8 inches byond receiver ring.......


I'm going to take it apart into the barrel/action and stock and weigh the pieces. If the long barrel (26") is just too heavy I know where the problem is and I'll call it a day with this one and start looking into another Standard class rifle.

Cut and recrown wouldn't be too involved....

Don't let the stock stop ya, a nice shooting 54 is a great place to start. One could find a different stock or mod the one you have to fit the rules, and many folks cut and recrown barrels........if you got a good deal on the rifle, it may be hard to replace with like quality.

Looks like you have basic enough wood skills to lop the bottom of the forend off, would just take redoing the action screw eustacheon (sp??)...

Can't help you on the bedding material, depends on what it was.

[buckmark]

Looks like a 54 to me yeah. All 07's have the 54 action. As do all '13s. The 03's have a 64 action.
For more info on 1407's:
http://www.pmulcahy.com/single-shot_dou ... pr-a-d.htm
DON'T sell it! They're very accurate for benchrest/silhouet or

[Jetmugg]

Looks like a model 64 action to me.

SteveM.

[Innocent]

Steve,
In the second picture note that the bolt looks as though it is broken, this is the bolt of a 54 action. 64 actions when closed have a pin sticking out the center back and does not appear to 'break' when cocked.
I do stand corrected by dwl on the 1407 as I thought is was a 54 not 64 action based on my memory of my brothers 1407.
Mary

[cwdgun]

Mary, Wonder if Dawg could help out on this one or maybe Evilo Mcdonald, they might know what he could do with this rifle. Is'nt that the action the one everyone been using to change to a pharr hunter. I might be wrong, if so won't be the first time.

[Innocent]

Dawg can contribute, I'm sure. This is the the action that I put into a Pharr stock myself, in fact the same model rifle. I did however build it up to a standard and not a hunter rifle as it is a single load action. Shoots great, but honestly if I had to do it again I would go with a repeater action on a hunter stock. But then my Annie came as a gift so I do enjoy shooting it, but i still fall back on my repeater Winnie 52.


Innocent

[genphideaux]

The second picture says it all, it is a 64 action due to the pin and the two part bolt and is a single shot. Fine action and can be adapted to the 5018 or 5022 two stage trigger, action is less robust and rigid as the 54 . The final variables for me would be:

Cost- you already own it but it also is worth a far few dollars.
Cofiguration- hunter or std. for a hunter I like a repeater and the 54 action. Std is fine as a single but still partial to a repeater there too.
Application- If you are gonna have only one gun then go the full monty and build the Pharr stock, Lilja barreled, 54 action and keep this one for a bench gun or sell it to fund the single gun.

This is just one person's opinion. My advise here is worth just what you paid for it.

[nshane]

For everyone's benefit, a close up of the action of my Annie. Still crappy cameraphone quality.



I'm not sure about the pin sticking out of the back of the bolt. Mine has a pin on the side of the bolt that aligns with the action. It actually is a 64 action. So this is maybe a 1403?

So everyone knows, I basically stole this rifle from its previous owner for $200, his price. Price included iron sights, hand stop, butt hook, and stock butt plate. I still have all of it.

For a guy that likes the stock contour that is on it what would you recommend?
My only problems with the current configuration, aside from not meeting spec, are the LOP is a little on the short side and the grip. I have one finger on the trigger, two on the grip and my pinky is floating out in space and I don't have big hands. I have two 3/4" spacers between the stock and butt plate.

I plan on using this in Standard class. I really, REALLY like the trigger that is on it. Sounds like I need to weigh the barreled action, find a stock I like and how much it weighs, add that together with a scope and if it comes in under the weight limit I'm good to go. As soon as I get away from work (and their nasty content filter) I'll start looking up some stocks. I'm just waiting on the day this site gets blocked...

Thanks to everyone for the opinions and advice.

[Bob259]

Yup, like Dawg said, it's a 64 action. Still a good buy at $200, you can sell the iron sights for that or more.