Ruger 10/22

[Chere]

I do not know what "lock time" is. Thanks

[Dee]

Lock time is the time it takes between the trigger breaking when you pull it and the round going off. Some people measure this time span beginning with the trigger break and ending at the moment the bullet exits the muzzle. Personally I think of lock time as the time it takes between the trigger breaking and the round going off. After that I consider the time the bullet is traveling in the barrel as dwell time. I think of it this way because lock times of just the trigger/firing pin doing its thing are independent of the velocity of the bullet itself.

Take a High Power Rifle versus a 10m Air Rifle. For the HP rifle the trigger breaks the firing pin is released and the round is set off traveling down the barrel in excess of say around 2500+ fps. Whereas with the air rifle the trigger breaks and instead of a firing pin being released a hammer is released inside the action which then slams into a valve which in turn releases the air from the cylinder or releases a spring which must then compress the air. Then this air must be transfer through ports till it finally gets to the pellet and starts it moving down the barrel at around 600 fps. So not only does it take the air gun a lot longer to get the pellet moving, once it is moving it is going less than 1/4th as fast as the HP round making for a longer time dwell in the barrel. This is why shooting airguns is such great practice and demands everything be right regarding trigger control and follow through.


Dee

[Chere]

Thank you Dee. Now I know

[kevinbear]

I'll put my off the shelf 597 up against your 10-22 any day, well it's almost stock, it has an after market hammer. Here's a post with pictures from rimfire central a few years ago, the targets tell the story. It's the usual suspects in the pic's! http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/sh ... p?t=299607

[ShooterP14]

I'll put my off the shelf 597 up against your 10-22 any day, well it's almost stock, it has an after market hammer. Here's a post with pictures from rimfire central a few years ago, the targets tell the story. It's the usual suspects in the pic's! http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/sh ... p?t=299607

Just as a side note, I haven't shot my 10-22 in a match in 5 years. I bought a CZ-452 to use in hunter class. When I had a scope failure in Jax, I shot my CZ in both classes. I went from A to AA. I haven't shot it since. I did build a Anschutz from an old 1411 and I use the CZ as a backup. I am now contemplating selling the Kidd trigger and Butler Creek BBL and using the money to build it into a Steel Challenge gun.

[kevinbear]

My 597 is the best loaner/beginner rifle I've ever owned, it's relatively light so even a girl can hold it up and there's no bolt to manipulate between shots. Today I found out it has another plus I didn't think about, the evolution stock on it is ambidexterous so the new guy I introduced to silhouette today was able to shoot it even though he's left handed.
I have a 1712 I shoot most of the time but it's certainly fun to have a variety of 22's.

[1stlttightwad]

My 10-22 and many others will shoot groups with the Annie's. It just can't match the lock time. I fought off buying 10-22 for years and recently got a Clark to shoot Sportsmans Team Challenge. The 2 stage Kidd trigger is remarkable, although I don't have one .... Yet! But would I shoot it over my 1712 or 54.18? No! Would I consider upgrading a 10/22 that I own into silo rifle if I didn't have the cash to buy a 1712? I might now that I've seen what a Clark barrel and Kidd trigger can do.

I love my 10-22 SQUIRREL gun..that's what it IS. A squirrel gun..Why would you buy a Pinto or Vega and spend millions of dollars to be competitive in NASCAR? You wouldn't, would you. Go get an Anschutz or a CZ and save yourself a pile of money. In the future if you want to trade or sell a highly moded 10-22 vs the Annie or a CZ which do you think will return more of your investment. Take a look at the upgrades and options available for the 10-22. They are all peddling their wares to get a gun to perform at a level it was never designed for in order to compensate for it's failings. My 10-22 shoots 1/2" at 25yds..at 100..who knows..never had to shoot a squirrel at 100. Ruger makes a great product and if you haven't heard they are NO longer taking orders..Manufacturing capacity is full for the rest of the year. If there were a market for super, super accurate $2000 10-22's do you not think that they would make one? Bill Ruger when he invented the Ruger Mark I,semi never, never meant to compete with the likes of Smith and Colt. Take the MarkIII's now..Great semi's but will never, compete against a stock Smith and Wesson Model 41 out of the box. Send it(the Ruger) to Voquartson with $700 to $1000 then maybe..Why not just buy a Smith. I am not down on Ruger as I own the 10-22, Super Blackhawk, Blackhawk and Single Six..Love em all and the Mark I is my favorite as I have had it a Lonnnng time. My opinion..Just get the best to begin with, it's cheaper in the long run and nowhere near the headaches...Dave Deo Vindice.

[edgehit]

Wow! I guess you told me off. BTW, I have 54.18 MSR, 1712 in a RTS, and a 1712 Meistergrade BEFORE I bought my first 10-22 and can compare to an Anschutz. Given a choice, I'd go with the Anschutz for the faster lock time, better stoc, and confidence factor. Accuracy is a non-issue between the 2.

[silhouette13]

threads like this turn lots of people away from shooting the sport long enough to get hooked to the point of spending shitloads of cash on a rifle. i have seen it at matches, a guy walks in with a 10/22 and gets jumped on "youll need something better than that if you want to do well at this sport" 10/22 guy never comes back.

then some one takes the time to enjoy a buil of a 10/22 to make it a tackdriver and still gets poo pooed.

fact, we need to get young and new shooters involved. fact an annie cost alot, i have a kid shopping college(50k+ schools of couse) it took me months to pinch pennys to get a nice rifle.

dave

[Jason]

Simplified point without all the offense and huffiness... A 10/22 is what it is. If it's what you have, then take it out and shoot it. Don't spend a truckload of money on it trying to make it great for silhouette, though, as you could spend many times the cost of the gun in upgrades and still not have a good a rifle for silhouette as a CZ 452 Varmint.

[Jim Beckley]

I have never seen a new shooter that showed up at a silhouette match for the first time with a 10/22 that didn't blast away at the targets like it was a speed contest instead of a shooting match. The ones that I spot for, I'll tell them that they can put their rifles down between shots and take a good shot, but that only lasts for about one bank. Rugers were made for plinking, hunting and recreational shooting. I have a MKII that by the time I had it shooting the way I wanted it to, I could have bought 2 Remingtons.

[silhouette13]

i dont think anyone would disagree that even a built 10/22 is not close to the best choice for the sport, BUT for someone already ensconned in the sport to wish to build one for the hell and enjoyment of it shouldnt alwyas have to hear the thousand reasons they are wasting their money. some folks like to tinker. some like having a semi auto for once in a while match shooting.

a while back some one was talking about wanting to build something for the fun of it, i think they were leaning towards a 77/22. good onya!

scores and shooting well are important, but so is just having fun.

HD

[ShooterP14]

threads like this turn lots of people away from shooting the sport long enough to get hooked to the point of spending shitloads of cash on a rifle. i have seen it at matches, a guy walks in with a 10/22 and gets jumped on "youll need something better than that if you want to do well at this sport" 10/22 guy never comes back.

then some one takes the time to enjoy a buil of a 10/22 to make it a tackdriver and still gets poo pooed.

fact, we need to get young and new shooters involved. fact an annie cost alot, i have a kid shopping college(50k+ schools of couse) it took me months to pinch pennys to get a nice rifle.

dave

My point was that my $250 CZ shot better than my $1000 worth of goodies on my 10-22. Don't get me wrong, if a shooter shows up at my match, I welcome them. I make no judgements about other people's equipment. It took me 3 years of saving to get enough to afford my custom Annie. I shot my CZ until then and enjoyed every minute. If they want to shoot a 10-22 and enjoy it GO FOR IT! It's about the fun not the gear. We had three guys show up with AR-15's with .22 conversions and red dot sights. They had a blast!

So, bring out the 10-22's Nylon 22's, lever actions, whatever. And when you beat us with our high dollar guns, it makes your victory that much sweeter.

[ShooterP14]

[quote="Jim Beckley"]I have never seen a new shooter that showed up at a silhouette match for the first time with a 10/22 that didn't blast away at the targets like it was a speed contest instead of a shooting match. [\quote]

That is exactly why when I built my gun I kept it as a single shot (no magazine). It forces my to slow down and relax between shots. When I used my 10-22 and after missing a couple of targets, I would start "blazing away". Now I stop, breathe, regroup, and start over.