Difference in Standard and Hunter stocks?

[cedestech]

Is there one? I read the rules and Hunter states only "hunting style stock" with no thumbhole permitted.

Is a Anschutz 54.18 style stock permitted in the hunter class?

[dustinflint]

I ws told that the pistol grip of the 54.18 stock makes it a "target stock" and not a "hunting stock" because the pistol grip drops straight down and doesnt slope like a sporter style stock. I dont know if that is accurate or why it makes a stock a target stock or where that comes from (maybe a jig??).

Anyway, this is a good question to be posed to the silhouette committee. From just reading the rules, I dont see what would make it illegal for the hunter rifle.

Dustin

[ter]

As far as I know, and was told, there is a standard jig, but no jig for the hunter rifle. The hunter rifle must fit the standard jig, and not have a thumbhole and same restriction on bore center. So it looks like thumbhole, barrel taper, weight, trigger pull are the differences. Certainly the 5418 stock should not be a hunter stock, but it may qualify. I heard of the grip taper "rule" but never saw quantitative numbers like a indicative angle. On some level I don't think these details matter. The cat is out of the bad with the rules.

[Jerry G]

Without a published definition of a "hunter style" stock, I guess it's anything the guy checking the rifles decides it is. Seems like kind of a "loose" rule.

We all loose sight of the face it's the Indian, not the arrow.

[cslcAl]

Hunter Rifle? Let's be honest about it, these guns have reverted back to Light Rifle.

Al Foust

[Jerry G]

Getting damn close to the old 'light rifle'.

[cedestech]

Wow. I can't believe there isn't a answer for this.....

I ask because I am wanting to put together a hi power and will be using a 700 action for obvious reasons. There are several off the shelf stocks that are Anschutz patterned that will bolt on and go. Not so many "hunter" style stocks with enough toe drop AND comb height. I read the rules and it only states "hunter style". So if I shoot a critter does it become a hunter rifle?

I was looking at a McMillian stock in the rack right next to my RTS stock and the pistol grips "look" identical. Obviously the McMillan is patterned off the 54.18 and has more "meat" between the wrist and
toe but the dimensions are VERY similar from comb height, wrist angle, toe drop and for arm depth/width/length.

So.....

Why can't I use a drop in 54.18 patterned composite stock for hunter? (obviously weight, trigger, barrel tapper being legal)

[boats]

There is a answer

"maximum weight of 9 pounds, including sights and if applicable, an empty magazine or clip. With the exception of single shot rifles, all other types must be repeating rifles, which shall be fired by loading all cartridges from the magazine or clip into the chamber. The intent of this rule is to describe a common hunting rifle."

54's are not common hunting rifles, Never saw one for sale in any gun shop sporting goods store or in the field hunting. It is a great stock design why not add 1 1/2 pounds in the barrel run the trigger light and come up with a rifle that can shoot to it's full potential in Standard class.

Boats

[dustinflint]

There is a answer

"maximum weight of 9 pounds, including sights and if applicable, an empty magazine or clip. With the exception of single shot rifles, all other types must be repeating rifles, which shall be fired by loading all cartridges from the magazine or clip into the chamber. The intent of this rule is to describe a common hunting rifle."

54's are not common hunting rifles, Never saw one for sale in any gun shop sporting goods store or in the field hunting. It is a great stock design why not add 1 1/2 pounds in the barrel run the trigger light and come up with a rifle that can shoot to it's full potential in Standard class.

Boats

I've never seen a 54 Super Match action with a Lilja barrel and a Pharr stock for sale in any gun shop or sporting goods store or in the field hunting but it is legal for hunter class silhouette. Very few of the rifles on any silhouette line that I've seen are "common hunting rifles."

Dustin

[cedestech]

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I've never seen a 54 Super Match action with a Lilja barrel and a Pharr stock for sale in any gun shop or sporting goods store or in the field hunting but it is legal for hunter class silhouette. Very few of the rifles on any silhouette line that I've seen are "common hunting rifles."

Dustin

Exactly. My Frankinhunter is a 54.18 single shot, Lija barreled, RTS stock. I "could" take it hunting. My Standard gun I actually use for prone shooting to 200 yards. I'd argue it's much more suited to
"hunting".

[Jim Beckley]

I have had two thumbhole Mcmillan stocks one in SB and one in HP, I have had one in a regular configuration for HP, it was for Standard rifle though. It would be a stretch to have one in a Hunter Rifle, a real long stretch. Never seen or heard one tried that way. Might think about calling the Silhouette Dept about this one.

[cedestech]

Thumb hole is specifically excluded from Hunter. I hunt pigs with a AR platform, can I use a AR in the Hunter Class? Can't fathom I am the first person to ask this...

Now I could understand if the rules said "production" stock but even then, a 54MS stock would fit that criteria.

[Innocent]

Hey, I shoot squirrels all the time with my 1413 and a Weaver CT 36 at 48'10".

Innocent

[boats]

I could take my box stock 1712 put a 54 ms stock on it and shoot higher scores, mostly due to the cheek piece. If I did what would I say to the Hunter rifle shooters playing by the rules.


Boats

[dustinflint]

I could take my box stock 1712 put a 54 ms stock on it and shoot higher scores, mostly due to the cheek piece. If I did what would I say to the Hunter rifle shooters playing by the rules.


Boats

Well first that rifle would be illegal in hunter for other reasons, namely you'd have a repeater that you would have to shoot single shot because a 54 MS stock is not a repeater stock. You have to load a repeater from the magazine in hunter class.

Other than that, it's very unlikely that you would get any advantage with that stock unless you just happen to like the feel of it more than the factory 1712 stock. My Pharr stock has a higher cheekpiece than my 54.18 stock. I don't think that the non-thumbhole 54 MS stock violates the letter of the rule.

The question needs to be addressed by the committee.

Dustin