HP Stocks

remlilja · Post by **remlilja** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:23 am

What stocks are you all using for HP? I heard Pharr stocks will no longer be available, so what would you recommend?

shakes · Post by **shakes** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:49 am

Try gettinng a hold of Steve Wooster who is a member of this board, he makes stocks that everyone in the northwest uses.

Jim Beckley · Post by **Jim Beckley** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:49 pm

I hope my mug doesn't show up all over MSN and Yahoo for insider stock trading, but there is also McMillan stocks. At one time just about everyone was shooting with them and like the Fajen stock that was mentioned in another post, they are sitting in a closet some where!

Silo65 · Post by **Silo65** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:05 pm

Brown Prescision has been making HP and Anschutz standard rifle stocks for years. The HP stock is very similar to Nesika. If you buy one I suggest upgrading to graphite in the forearm.

RBriscoe · Post by **RBriscoe** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:20 pm

shakes wrote:Try gettinng a hold of Steve Wooster who is a member of this board, he makes stocks that everyone in the northwest uses.

I am afraid that Steve's are probably made by Ian Robertson's shop as well. He may either have a few in stock or have found a new source though.

Troy G · Post by **Troy G** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:45 pm

How is Steve's stock different from Mark's HP stock?

RBriscoe · Post by **RBriscoe** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:47 am

Troy G wrote:How is Steve's stock different from Mark's HP stock?

The ones that I have seen have the magazine area of the "belly" parallel to the bore line whereas the Pharr and Nesika stocks have a more or less continuous taper from the pistol grip to the tip of the fore end. It is sort of a second generation Nesika stock, if you will. The cheek piece is lower than the more recent Pharr stock, pretty much like the Nesika stock, but I do not know if he added a model with a high cheek piece. Perhaps Steve will clarify this. I certainly hope he has found a new production source. Ditto for the Pharr. They are both very nice stocks.

The Nesika stock is a nicely worked over variation of the Brown stock based on the input of a number of people.

I am prohibited from using the word _ _ _ _ _ and Precision in the same sentence.

They are "pretty rough" as delivered and require quite a bit of work to get them ready to paint. They are, however, lighter than the discontinued McMillan silhouette stock. I have heard that McMillan destroyed the mold, but have not confirmed this with them. No matter what McMillan told you, they weighed 36 to 37 ounces as delivered in my experience.

Troy G · Post by **Troy G** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:54 am

Richard,

I am not sure we are talking about the same stocks. I am talking about non Hunter class stocks.

Here are some pictures of Mark" s HP stocks, just wondering what Steve's HP stocks look like or does Steve just have a Hunter style HP stock?

my rifle.

Mark's picture.

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:53 am

These are the photos I'm familiar with. This links to a Marketplace entry that links to photos of a Wooster stocked rifle.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3438

RBriscoe · Post by **RBriscoe** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:55 am

Troy,

Those are Pharr's "Standard Rifle" stocks (nice ones, too). The only difference between a High Power version and a Small Bore version is the inletting to fit the action & barrel.

I was talking about the "Hunter Stocks". I am not sure whether Steve has a separate "Standard Rifle" stock or not. Many people, including my shooting buddy, have discovered that they like the Hunter Rifle stock better, even with a Standard Rifle barrel and action installed. It is all a matter of preference. The production problem is likely the same for all of them.

The Wooster stock I am familiar with is the one in the pictures in BlauBear's link. You can see the belly in those pictures quite clearly.

If you are looking for a Standard Rifle stock such as the ones in your picture, you could always have one made of wood. The weight limit for the standard gun gives a little bit of wiggle room.

I guess there will be a great hunt for a new production source.

Rick

BlauBear · Post by **BlauBear** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:09 am

Walnut stocks are light and strong and, properly pillar bedded, still stable, with an enormous selection of styles. Never mind the surviving synthetic builders like MacMillan (sp?), Bell & Carlson... The sky is not falling.

Troy G · Post by **Troy G** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:18 am

Rick,

I thought maybe Steve was making a specific Standard stock. As I am not entirely happy with the ergonomics of the Pharr Standard stock. I think I actually liked the feel of my McMillan silhouette stock better. Never have tried the Anschutz style stocks.

I have a couple of Mark's Hunter stocks on my HP Hunter and on my smallbore hunter, nice stocks but I would like a higher comb than the rules would allow.

RBriscoe · Post by **RBriscoe** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:13 pm

Troy,

You may want to contact Steve to see if he does have a specific stock for the heavy gun.

I think you are aware that there are two different versions of the Pharr hunter stock. Just to make sure, the first one has a cheek piece that is more like the original Nesika than the second version which is just a little bit under the max dimension that will fit into the jig. There were some people who were bedding the actions just a little too deep and so he made it with a little tolerance for the bedding. The first version has a flatter fore end than the second which has more rounded edges suited to the "split finger" shooting style. There are other less obvious differences between the two, but those are the major ones I am aware of.

I have used both the Pharr standard stock and the McMillan Master stock. Each has it points of interest. From the bedding area forward the McMillan Master stock is the same as the Anschutz thumbhole stock (which McMillan made for them). Getting arid of the thumbhole is a plus for many people as it allows a wider variety of hand positions. The cheek piece on the Master stock is also squared up and near the center line of the bore to help provide cheek pressure for people without "big faces". The area where your off hand either grips the stock or the stock rests on the off hand is wider on the Pharr standard stock which may require a slightly different technique than with the Master stock. The Pharr standard rifle stock has a little bit more cast-off than the McMillan Master stock.

The bench community has been making a number of stocks of interesting construction in the last few years in their quest for a light weight stock that fits the rules and rides the bags well. I am aware of several that use balsa wood/carbon fiber fabrications and others that use red wood or cedar and various composites.

If you are inclined to make one yourself, you can hunt around for some low density foam (similar to what is used to make surf boards). You can shape it and then apply some fiber glass or carbon fiber over it just like a surf board. If you decide you do not like the shape of a particular section you can cut it off, glue a new piece of foam on and then shape it and 'glass it. Kevlar is not fun to work with.

Of course, there is always a good old fashioned piece of wood.

Cheers

shakes · Post by **shakes** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:44 pm

Yes Steve makes two stocks. A hunter stock like in the link, and a standard stock that looks similar to the white and gold one ealier in the post. His standard stock is a thumbhole right now but he is tinkering with the idea of filling in the hole or cutting it out completely. Steves standard stocks can be used fro smallbore or highpower usage. They are made out of high density foam and wraped in carbon fiber. Steve is in the process of making a new standard highpower stock for me as we speak. I will try to post some pics as soon as I get it.

RBriscoe · Post by **RBriscoe** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:48 pm

shakes wrote:Yes Steve makes two stocks. A hunter stock like in the link, and a standard stock that looks similar to the white and gold one ealier in the post. His standard stock is a thumbhole right now but he is tinkering with the idea of filling in the hole or cutting it out completely. Steves standard stocks can be used fro smallbore or highpower usage. They are made out of high density foam and wraped in carbon fiber. Steve is in the process of making a new standard highpower stock for me as we speak. I will try to post some pics as soon as I get it.

Please do post back with some pix. Does Steve have some?

It sounds like Steve has taken the "surfboard" approach. I think foam density really is not all that important except for ease of working with it. (The carbon fiber is the real structural component.) It would be interesting to know if he is turning the foam on a stock duplicator to speed the process along once he has settled on a design.

I think moving away from a thumbhole design is both practical from a fabrication viewpoint and for maximizing the options for hand position to suit different users.

Having choices is always good!

Rick

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