Custom Actions and the Rule Book

[shakes]

A question oh wise one's of highpower silhouette:

Im going to get a couple of Defiance actions for highpower and was talking to Glen and he had some questions regarding wether or not I wanted them to be repeaters or single shot actions, I looked at the NRA rule book and as far as I can tell your standard gun can be a single shot and your hunter has to have a magazine well if its not a custom action. If it is a custom action you can have it a single shot action. Am I interpreting the rule wrong or right? Will I not be able to shoot my hunter class gun at nationals because it doesnt have a magazine. Glen said that if it doesnt have to have the bottom of the reciever milled out for a repeater that the action would be alot stiffer and more accurate. Please help so I dont get screwed in the future at an event. Thanks very much for your help on this one.

Matt

[Jason]

I think the rule's a lot simpler than that. If it has always been a single shot (custom or standard production like a Savage, or even a T/C Encore) then it's fine to be a single shot in both hunter and standard. If it was a magazine-fed rifle (ala Rem 700 ADL) then it has to be used that way and, technically, loaded through the magazine when shooting it as a hunter. It can be one round at a time through the magazine, though. I've seen several single shot custom hunter guns in smallbore. I think I've only seen one or two in highpower, but I haven't been shooting highpower long and haven't travelled to do it.

[Jim Beckley]

The rules is kind of fuzzy, before I spent a penny on this venture, I would contact Connor and get the reply on paper.

[lone ringer]

A question oh wise one's of highpower silhouette:

Im going to get a couple of Defiance actions actions for highpower and was talking to Glen and he had some questions regarding wether or not I wanted them to be repeaters or single shot actions, I looked at the NRA rule book and as far as I can tell your standard gun can be a single shot and your hunter has to have a magazine well if its not a custom action. If it is a custom action you can have it a single shot action. Am I interpreting the rule wrong or right? Will I not be able to shoot my hunter class gun at nationals because it doesnt have a magazine. Glen said that if it doesnt have to have the bottom of the reciever milled out for a repeater that the action would be alot stiffer and more accurate. Please help so I dont get screwed in the future at an event. Thanks very much for your help on this one.

Matt

There are some factory single shot actions like the Remington mod 40X with solid bottom and the XP100 pistol action with solid bottom also that some of us have used to build hunting class single shot rifles. Then as you know there are a whole bunch of custom actions you could also use if you want to build a rifle that can be used for both classes.

[Bob Mc Alice]

Shakes, your spending upwards of 2 G's on his and her custom actions ?.....NICE Now tell us of your plans. What cartridge, barrel , stock painted or dipped ? Who is the craftsman who will put all this together for you? Inquiring minds want to know.

[RBriscoe]

Jim,

I have recently done exactly that.

I spoke with Greg and asked his interpretation of the rule. Based upon his conversations with the committee a hunter rifle may be a single shot only if the action was originally manufactured as a single shot (solid bottom) action.

In my opinion that interpretation is not supported by the wording of the rule itself and so I sent an email to the committee this last fall requesting an opinion on the matter. In my reading of the rule itself there is no reference anywhere to the original state of manufacture of the receiver/action and that, quite simply, a single shot rifle is one which can only be loaded one round at a time as configured at the time it is submitted for inspection and certification prior to a match. (I know, it is a simple concept, but the English language used to have meaning.)

Anyway, the answer I received from the committee was that the action must have originally been manufactured as a single shot action and so Greg had correctly interpreted the will of the committee whether I think it correct or not.

Unless one wishes to make a point of the matter (and bang their head against a brick wall) I would suggest that the action be one which was originally manufactured as a single shot action. It does not matter whether it is a "factory" action or a "custom" one. An XP-100, not the XR-100 or whatever they call the Model 7 repeater based one, a 40X solid bottom or any of the many "custom" solid bottom" receivers should make it through tech without difficulty, at least until the committee changes their opinion in the matter.

I hope this helps clarify the current state of the matter.

Rick

[shakes]

McAlice; I've gotten tired of my 260's and am going to switch over to 7-08's . As you can see I'm having a little fun with ya Bob . There going to be 260's. the hunter class is going to have a brand new 3 groove Pac-Nor barrel on it and the standard is going to get the new Pac-Nor 3 groove barrel off the standard I have now (less than 500 rounds through it) that I put on last year. Steve said the Defiance actions would drop into the stocks I have now with very minor modifactions to the bedding areas and Steve Kostinich is going to do the work for me. I would like to have both barrels polished to a mirror finish to match the action and both will have Marvins rings atop polished as well. The glass will be two brand new Leupold FX-3's in 25 power. Glen at Defiance is very easy to work with and made sure I'm getting exactly what I want. For those of you who havent heard of Defiance Machine they are made in Montana by the man who started Nesika. I'm in no hurry to have these done this season and the wait on the actions is about 90 days from what Glen told me, which is very good for custom actions. I figured I'm going to be doing this for a long while yet and why not have the best. The girlfriend's highpower will probably be ready at the end of this month Wooster told me so she might be able to shoot it the next highpower match in april. She's so excited to start shooting highpower she wants me to teach her to reload herself but I think its better if I do all the relaoding for both of us. I just dont feel right letting her reload and have something go horribly wrong. Call me crazy.

Thanks for the help with the rules guys.

[Jerry G]

I agree with Jason. If it is a single shot it is a single shot. The rule book says if it is capable of loading from a magazine it must be loaded that way. God only knows why. Maybe Tony could shed some light on that rule, he was on the comitee but probably had nothing to do with that rule.

[Bob Mc Alice]

Shakes , my heart skipped a beat at the thought of you graduating to a 7-08 .

[RBriscoe]

Shakes , my heart skipped a beat at the thought of you graduating to a 7-08 .

One sheep to the other: "I had a nightmare. It was another 175 coming at me. Right at my nose. I woke up and it was only a 6.5. Whew!"

Rick

[Jason]

I thought you were going to say you had a 175 coming right at your nose, but you knew it would be going so slow out of that 7-08 that you'd have plenty of time to move out of the way.

[Pete]

Hey Matt,
I have used our single shot Hunter rifles (Nesika J and Defiance Rebel) at US and Canadian Nationals the last several years with no questions.
I expect Marks new Defiance action next week. Will probably get the 260 Bobcat barrel on it the same day then off to Steve.
Pete

[Jim T.]

So glad to know the economy does not suck anymore!!!!!!!!!

[Jason]

Everyone's getting new scopes and rifles and I'm eating ramen because I bought that big 1000 box of Lapua 123s and a couple little boxes of 139s. Evidently I need to improve my economy, too.

[Trent]

Everyone's getting new scopes and rifles and I'm eating ramen because I bought that big 1000 box of Lapua 123s and a couple little boxes of 139s. Evidently I need to improve my economy, too.

I know what you mean. After buying bullets in the past couple weeks I now need to figure out how to afford to "power" them. Do any of the powder manufacturers make a "hybrid"? Varget only gets 38grains to the mile.