new or revised hunter class
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deadeyeky
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new or revised hunter class
what would people think if NRA changed the silhouette hunter class rules back to what they were 10 years ago, when the rifles had to be completely factory and no "wildcat" cartridges......... i would think if there was a new class created with those rules, or if NRA changed the rules back to what they were, more brand new silhouette shooters wouldnt be so discouraged about competing by those custom hunter guns idk maybe one like this... [img][img]http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn14 ... /031-1.jpg[/img][/img],
all just to get more ppl into the sport...
all just to get more ppl into the sport...
I do my best not to think i know it all, but i do know i know half of what i think i know now, so if i mess something up, cant i get an alibi?
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Quonset Hut
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After having the NRA outlaw two low cost rifles I owned or were about to buy in the mid 90's in two sports, I'm not at all a fan of removing what was legal this year. Nor can Silhouette support more than two classes in SB and HP.
The same rule change (7.5 lb to 8.5 lb) for smallbore that now results in $2,500+ 54:18 Frankensteins also gave us my $275 NS-522. The rule change that gave us $2500+ centerfires with Pharr stocks also made my $199 Swedish Mauser Sporter eligible for Hunter.
People not entering the sport are doing so for the same reasons they did when your top of the line gun was $1,500 instead of $2,500+. They do not want to compete. Someone who wants to compete will start with almost anything, like the pawn shop Marlins with rings and 4-12 AO scope that my mentor put together for $125.
It's not the big buck guns that are stopping new folks. We haven't sold them that the fun of the sport is worth the time investment for practice and matches - and maybe finishing last a few times...
The same rule change (7.5 lb to 8.5 lb) for smallbore that now results in $2,500+ 54:18 Frankensteins also gave us my $275 NS-522. The rule change that gave us $2500+ centerfires with Pharr stocks also made my $199 Swedish Mauser Sporter eligible for Hunter.
People not entering the sport are doing so for the same reasons they did when your top of the line gun was $1,500 instead of $2,500+. They do not want to compete. Someone who wants to compete will start with almost anything, like the pawn shop Marlins with rings and 4-12 AO scope that my mentor put together for $125.
It's not the big buck guns that are stopping new folks. We haven't sold them that the fun of the sport is worth the time investment for practice and matches - and maybe finishing last a few times...
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Bob259
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I'll post this again over here...
If you change the rules now and make the current custom rifles illegal you will do more harm to this sport then the Democrats and anti gunners ever could.
It's not the rifle, and that's been proven over and over it's the person pulling the trigger that gets the good scores. How many times have we heard things like Cathy's rifle broke, borrowed one from someone else and with different ammunition and never shooting it before, won.
If this was easy you would see a lot more shooters shooting 40's or high 30's. If this was so easy you'd see Lones Wigger, an Olympic champion, http://www.usashooting.com/alumni/LonesWigger.html
http://www.usolympichalloffame.com/?page_id=35
shooting 40's every time. He isn't shooting 40's one right after the other so then this is a difficult sport.
When the NRA changed the rules and banned chin guns we lost a lot of shooters that had invested lots of money in custom rifles that were within the rules, you do it again today and we will lose more shooters.
Bringing new shooters to your matches and encouraging them would do more for the sport then changing rules again and again to get some 'perceived' benefit and only end up loosing shooters who have invested under the existing rules.
Oh, seeing this is posted 'Behind the Berm, I'll add your scores would get better and you wouldn't be worrying about others equipment so much if you'd quit your bitchen and practice more. Then you'd out shoot 90% of those custom rifles and be able to laugh at them.
If you change the rules now and make the current custom rifles illegal you will do more harm to this sport then the Democrats and anti gunners ever could.
It's not the rifle, and that's been proven over and over it's the person pulling the trigger that gets the good scores. How many times have we heard things like Cathy's rifle broke, borrowed one from someone else and with different ammunition and never shooting it before, won.
If this was easy you would see a lot more shooters shooting 40's or high 30's. If this was so easy you'd see Lones Wigger, an Olympic champion, http://www.usashooting.com/alumni/LonesWigger.html
http://www.usolympichalloffame.com/?page_id=35
shooting 40's every time. He isn't shooting 40's one right after the other so then this is a difficult sport.
When the NRA changed the rules and banned chin guns we lost a lot of shooters that had invested lots of money in custom rifles that were within the rules, you do it again today and we will lose more shooters.
Bringing new shooters to your matches and encouraging them would do more for the sport then changing rules again and again to get some 'perceived' benefit and only end up loosing shooters who have invested under the existing rules.
Oh, seeing this is posted 'Behind the Berm, I'll add your scores would get better and you wouldn't be worrying about others equipment so much if you'd quit your bitchen and practice more. Then you'd out shoot 90% of those custom rifles and be able to laugh at them.
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BlauBear
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Defing a "Box Stock" rifle is harder than it looks. What about repairs or pawn shop finds? Or a tinkerer that wants to pillar bed and float their rifle? Are you deviating from the factory rifle? Or in high power, what about hand loads? Do you require factory loaded ammunition?
In looking at a fun Club class the closest rule I ever got was "Wal-Mart", as in "If you can buy it at Wal-Mart without a special order, you can use it." No modifications allowed, and only OEM repair parts. Personally, I wouldn't compete in that class because I don't want the aggravation, but it might work for some.
In looking at a fun Club class the closest rule I ever got was "Wal-Mart", as in "If you can buy it at Wal-Mart without a special order, you can use it." No modifications allowed, and only OEM repair parts. Personally, I wouldn't compete in that class because I don't want the aggravation, but it might work for some.
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dwl
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Dead Eye,
Just bring them to a match and tell them they're doin' great. Junior is shooting off a rest, sometimes kneelin' on a chair. Saturday was his third match and the first time he shot the full course. We list him on the score board and congratulate him on how well he does. He shot 15, 17, 18, 19.
Works the same for grown ups. We don't have many shooters so we allow non-registered shooters in our NRA approved matches. We just don't enter them into the record book. I always bring an extra gun and some extra lunch. I've had more takers for pastrami on bagels (that makes it kosher) than I have for the guns. People who want to shoot will keep coming. Just need a little nurturing.
Just bring them to a match and tell them they're doin' great. Junior is shooting off a rest, sometimes kneelin' on a chair. Saturday was his third match and the first time he shot the full course. We list him on the score board and congratulate him on how well he does. He shot 15, 17, 18, 19.
Works the same for grown ups. We don't have many shooters so we allow non-registered shooters in our NRA approved matches. We just don't enter them into the record book. I always bring an extra gun and some extra lunch. I've had more takers for pastrami on bagels (that makes it kosher) than I have for the guns. People who want to shoot will keep coming. Just need a little nurturing.